Terrorists and criminals. They've been behind some of the world's worst atrocities and have inspired fear in their wake. As such many countries have devised groups to combat them more effectively, usually after a great tragedy. So today in a collaboration betweenTybaltcapulet and Rikun85, we'll be determining if the Season Two episode of Deadliest Warrior "SWAT vs GSG-9" is really accurate, or if the show really does have American bias . We'll see who truly deserves to be THE DEADLIEST WARRIOR
GSG 9 (Represented by Tybaltcapulet)
Grenzschutzgruppe 9, or GSG 9 for short, is the elite counter-terrorism and special operations unit of the German Federal Police. In 1972, the Palestinian terrorist movement Black September used the Summer Olympic Games in Munich, Germany, to kidnap 11 Israeli athletes, killing two in the Olympic Village in the initial assault on the athletes' rooms. The incident tragically culminated when German police, neither trained nor equipped for counter-terrorism operations and underestimating the number of terrorists involved, attempted to rescue the athletes. They failed miserably and the operation led to the deaths of one policeman, five of the eight kidnappers and the remaining nine hostages (subsequently called the Munich massacre). Apart from the human tragedy, Germany's law enforcement found itself severely embarrassed, in part due to its historic relationship to Jews and Israel.
As a consequence of the incident's mismanagement, German officials created the GSG-9 under the leadership of then Oberstleutnant Ulrich Wegener so that similar situations in the future could be responded to adequately and professionally. Many German politicians opposed its formation fearing GSG-9 would rekindle memories of the Nazi Party's Schutzstaffel (SS). The decision was taken to form the unit from police forces as opposed to the military as is the model in other countries on the grounds that German federal law expressly forbids the use of the military forces against the civilian population.Germany isn't unprepared for terrorists and their threats anymore. Try to hijack a plane, kidnap someone? Forget about it, GSG 9 was handcrafted to kill you, and they'll take you down before you even know what happened.
The Glock knife is a military field knife product line designed and produced by Glock Ges.m.b.H., located in Deutsch-Wagram, Austria. It can also be used as a bayonet, by engaging a socket in the pommel (covered by a plastic cap) into a bayonet adapter that can be fitted to the Steyr AUG rifle.Blade Length:6.5 in
The Heckler & Koch VP9 (known as SFP9 in Europe and Canada) is a polymer-framed semi-automatic striker-fired handgun. The VP designation in the name refers to Volkspistole which translates to "people's pistol". The 9 stands for the caliber designation of 9 mm. The VP9 is the 3rd striker-fired pistol that HK has produced.
Cartridge:9×19mmMagazine:20-round Detachable box magazine
The MP5 (German: Maschinenpistole 5) is a 9x19mm Parabellum submachine gun, developed in the 1960s by a team of engineers from the German small arms manufacturer Heckler & Koch GmbH (H&K) of Oberndorf am Neckar. There are over 100 variants of the MP5, including some semi-automatic versions.
The MP5 is one of the most widely used submachine guns in the world, having been adopted by 40 nations and numerous military, law enforcement, intelligence, and security organizations. It was widely used by SWAT teams in North America, but has largely been supplemented by AR-15 variants in the 21st century.
Magazine:30-round Detachable box magazineRate of Fire: 800 rounds/min
The Heckler & Koch HK416 is a rifle designed and manufactured by Heckler & Koch. Although its design is in large part based on the AR-15 class of weapons, specifically the Colt M4 carbine family issued to the U.S. military, it uses an HK-proprietary short-stroke gas piston system originally derived from the ArmaLite AR-18 (the same system was also used in Heckler & Koch's earlier G36 family of rifles). It is the standard assault rifle of the Norwegian Armed Forces, and was the weapon used by SEAL Team Six to kill Osama Bin Laden in 2011. It has also been selected as replacement for the FAMAS in the French Armed Forces. Weight:6.50–8.49 lb
Magazine:30-round detachable STANAG magazine
Range: 300 metres (330 yd)Rate of Fire:700-900 rounds/min
The Heckler & Koch Fabarm FP6 is a pump-action combat shotgun that was manufactured by the Italian firearms company Fabbrica Bresciana Armi S.p.A. (FABARM) and sold by Heckler & Koch. It was intended for civilian and law enforcement use.
Upon severing business association with Benelli in 1998, Heckler & Koch replaced their entire line of shotguns with those manufactured by FABARM. The line featured hunting and sport shotguns in over-and-under, side-by-side, semi-automatic autoloaders and pump shotguns including youth models. For military, law enforcement and home defense use, H&K released four variants of the FP6 model. Weight:6.6 lb
Cartridge:12 gauge 23⁄4 & 3 inch shells
Magazine:7+1 rounds, internal tube magazineRange:30m
The DSR-1 is a compact bolt-action rifle designed, manufactured and marketed by the German company DSR-Precision GmbH and was (until 2004) marketed also by the German company AMP Technical Services as a specialized sniper rifle for police sharpshooters. It has been adopted by the German GSG 9 counter-terrorist unit, as well as by other European special police units and agencies.
Magazine:5-round magazineRange:800 m
SWAT (Represented by Rikun85)
In the United States, a SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics) team is a law enforcement unit which uses specialized or military equipment and tactics. First created in the 1960s to handle riot control or violent confrontations with criminals, the number and usage of SWAT teams increased in the 1980s and 1990s during the War on Drugs and later in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks. In the United States as of 2005, SWAT teams were deployed 50,000 times every year, almost 80% of the time to serve search warrants, most often for narcotics. SWAT teams are increasingly equipped with military-type hardware and trained to deploy against threats of terrorism, for crowd control, and in situations beyond the capabilities of ordinary law enforcement, sometimes deemed "high-risk". Other countries have developed their own paramilitary police units (PPUs) which are also described as or comparable to SWAT forces.
SWAT units are often equipped with specialized firearms including submachine guns, assault rifles, breaching shotguns, sniper rifles, riot control agents, and stun grenades. In addition, they may use specialized equipment including heavy body armor, ballistic shields, entry tools, armored vehicles, night vision devices, and motion detectors for covertly determining the positions of hostages or hostage takers, inside enclosed structures.SWAT isn't just what you you on TV, they're the real deal. Terrorists and criminals beware the truck bearing the SWAT acronym, they'll, plan around your plan, go in, and get you out without a single death.
A baton or truncheon or kosh is a roughly cylindrical club made of wood, rubber, plastic or metal. It is carried as a compliance tool and defensive weapon by law-enforcement officers, correctional staff, security guards and military personnel. In many cultures, they are highly symbolic of law enforcement and are rarely used with the intention to kill.Length: 26 inches
The Kimber Custom is an M1911 style semi-automatic pistol. It is designed, manufactured, and distributed by Kimber Manufacturing, Inc. in Yonkers, New York.The Custom is made in a variety of styles with different features and finishes. As an M1911 style pistol, it is usually chambered in .45 ACP. It also has been produced in other calibers, including .40 S&W, 10mm Auto, 9mm Luger, and .38 Super. The individual gun's caliber is stamped on top of the barrel and is visible with the slide in battery (fully forward). Weight: 38oz
Cartridge:.45 ACPMagazine:10-round magazine
The Heckler & Koch UMP (Universale Maschinenpistole, German for "Universal Submachine Gun") is a submachine gun developed and manufactured by Heckler & Koch. The UMP has been adopted by various agencies such as the U.S. Customs and Border Protection.Heckler & Koch developed the UMP as a lighter and cheaper successor to the MP5, though both remain in production.The UMP is a Blowback operated, magazine-fed submachine gun firing from a closed bolt.As originally designed, the UMP is chambered for larger cartridges (.45 ACP and .40 S&W) than other submachine guns like the MP5, to provide more stopping power against unarmored targets (with slightly lower effectiveness at longer range) than the MP5 (largely offered in 9×19mm, albeit with short-lived production of 10mm Auto and .40 S&W variants). A larger cartridge produces more recoil, and makes it more difficult to control in fully automatic firing.To mitigate this, the cyclic rate of fire was reduced to around 600–745 rounds per minute (RPM),making it one of the slower firing submachine guns on the market. Weight:5.8 lb
Magazine:30-round detachable box magazineRate of Fire:600 rounds/min
The M4 carbine is a shorter and lighter variant of the M16A2 assault rifle. The M4 is a 5.56×45mm NATO, air-cooled, direct impingement gas-operated, magazine-fed carbine. It has a 14.5 in (370 mm) barrel and a telescoping stock.The M4 carbine is extensively used by the United States Armed Forces and is largely replacing the M16 rifle in United States Army and United States Marine Corps combat units as the primary infantry weapon and service rifle.The M4 is also capable of mounting the M203 and M320 grenade launchers. The distinctive step in its barrel is for mounting the M203 with the standard hardware. The M4 has semi-automatic and three-round burst firing modes (like the M16A2 and M16A4), while the M4A1 has semi-automatic and fully automatic firing modes (like the M16A1 and M16A3). Weight:7.49 lb
Magazine:30-round Detachable box magazineRate of Fire:700–950 round/min cyclic
The Benelli M4 Super 90 is an Italian semi-automatic shotg manufactured by Benelli Armi SpA.
The M4 was the first gas-operated shotgun produced by Benelli. Its function is designed around an entirely new method called the "auto regulating gas operated" (ARGO) system. The short-stroke design uses two stainless-steel self-cleaning pistons located just ahead of the chamber to function opposite the rotating bolt, thereby eliminating the need for the complex mechanisms found on other gas-actuated automatics. The ARGO incorporates only four parts: two symmetrical shrouds containing two small steel gas pistons.
Additionally, the weapon is self-regulating for use with cartridges of varying length and power levels. It can fire 2.75 (70 mm) and 3-inch (76 mm) shells of differing power-levels without any operator adjustments and in any combination. Low-power rounds, such as less-lethal rubber pellets, must be cycled manually. Weight:8.42 lb
Magazine:7+1 internal tube magazineRange: 50m
The Remington Model 700 is a series of bolt-action centerfire rifles manufactured by Remington Arms since 1962. It is a development of the Remington 721 and 722 series of rifles, which were introduced in 1948. The M24 and M40 military sniper rifles used by the US Army and USMC are both based on the Model 700 design.
The Remington 700 series rifles often come with a 3-, 4- or 5-round internal magazine depending on the caliber chambered, some of which have a hinged floor-plate for quick unloading, and some of which are "blind" (with no floor-plate). The rifle can also be ordered with a detachable box magazine. The Model 700 is available in many different stock, barrel and caliber configurations, with many third-party and aftermarket variants in the market built on the same action footprint. Weight: 8.99 lb
Magazine:5-round internal magazineRange: Various
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Police_issue_X26_TASER-white.jpg/300px-Police_issue_X26_TASER-white.jpg A TASER is a brand of conducted electrical weapon sold by Axon, formerly TASER International.It fires two small barbed darts intended to puncture the skin and remain attached to the target. The darts are connected to the main unit by thin insulated copper wire and deliver electric current to disrupt voluntary control of muscles, causing "neuromuscular incapacitation.” The effects of a TASER may only be localized pain or strong involuntary long muscle contractions, based on the mode of use and connectivity of the darts. The TASER was introduced as a less-lethal force option for police to use to subdue fleeing, belligerent, or potentially dangerous people, who would have otherwise been subjected to more lethal force options such as firearms.
GSG 9 training is very selective and physically demanding. A recruit must first have already 2 years in the Bundespolizei and pass a medical and psychological examination. Physical requirements include, completing 100m dash/5000m run(in 13.4 seconds and 23 minutes respectively), being able to bench 75% of their body weight and being able to at least perform 7 chin-ups. They are trained in various counter-insurgency tactics, CQB ,melee and ground combat,rappelling, moving non-compliant individuals, battle drills, disarming and blocking attacks, and even parachuting. Only about 8-10 percent of applicants even make it all the way through and receive the certificate and the activity badge to serve in GSG 9.SWAT members are regularly trained for mobility with body armor, marksmanship, mobile firing, and practical scenario drills for urban combat. Specialized training is also available from the FBI and military for snipers, bomb squads, surveillance, and negotiation.SWAT members unlike GSG9 members, are never "fully trained", constantly keeping up with their skills and fitness in responding to situations quickly and efficiently.
GSG 9 has operated since September 26th 1972, after the terrorist movement, Black September was able to kidnap and kill 11 athletes due to the incompetence of the German police. Since then GSG 9 has participated in over 1500 missions, most of which are classified, but unclassified engagements inlcude Operation Feuerzauber, the arrest of RAF terrorist in 1982, multiple other arrests on various terrorists, hostage situations in the Kassel Penitentiary and a hijacking of a KLM flight, just to name a few.SWAT was initially formed during the wake of 1965 Watts Riots and the 1966 Austin University sniper attack, SWAT is deployed to handle high risk arrests, hostage situations, barricade situations, high risk escort, terrorist attacks, and urban riots. Essentially prepared for almost any danger on a metropolitan level. They have participated in conlfict against the Symbionese Liberation Army, thousands of drug raids in the 1970's, and regularly are called to high-risk warrants.
For the sake of this battle I will be like Deadliest Warrior, using Operation Feuerzauber or Operation Fire Magic to demonstrate the efficiency of the GSG 9. To understand this a precedent must be set that this operation only took 7 minutes long to actually perform.Terrorists of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine hijacked Lufthansa Flight 181, and had been on a 4-day struggle with authorities, constantly flying across many countries, Italy, Cyprus and eventually ending up in Mogadishu,Somalia. After it had landed, GSG 9 quickly negotiated with Somalian authorities and finalize an assault plan. They silently headed up into the plane via ladders, and made the passengers know they were friendly. They split up throughout the plane opening the emergency and forward doors. After a short shootout, 3 terrorists were dead and one had been injured. Only one GSG9 operative was injured, and all passengers survived. In summation, the GSG 9 are heavily focused on quick operations, and efficiently dispatching their enemy even through lethal force.SWAT on the other hand while they too try to end an operation as quickly as possible, are much more focused on disorienting an opponent than actually killing them.Recon and intel are crucial for SWAT when conducting strategy. When conducting a raid they will come in as loudly as possible to disorient suspects long enough to neutralize them (ie flashbangs, gas, or just shouting to drop the weapon). They will also cover rooms as efficiently as possible to protect themselves. SWAT is reliant on good information and quick, usually non-lethal methods to take out a suspect or perpetrator.
This battle will take place inside a large inside home-like location with plenty of space, and furniture for cover . It will be a 5v5 operation, with two submachine gunners, one shotgunner, one man with an Assault rifle, and one sniper. The mission is very simple, take out the enemy squad, complete the operation(which will be described within the battle), get out alive.
Note: (This will play out as if it is a real operation, but in actuality be a simulation for a training excersise)
Format 1: Detailed edge based vote with good grammar and that isn't just a couple of words or a sentence.
Format 2: At least a 7 sentence paragraph detailing why you believe a certain warrior will win.
X-factors are not required in your vote but are appreciated.
Me and Rikun hold the final say as to whether a vote counts or not, guidelines not withstanding.Voting will end when we are satisfied the the quality and quantity of votes.
Classified, Germany, 2019
"We have identified 5 hostages in a furniture warehouse, bound with explosives, your only mission is to get them out safely and take out the hostiles. Hostiles are heavily armed and dangerous, and are wearing stolen body armor. Your mission is to neutralize the threat by any means necessary and save the hostages."
Leutnant Weber, the commanding officer of the GSG-9 unit assigned to this mission quickly assembled his men and divided various arms among them, and established their plan. They would have one sniper(Leutnant Weber himself), two submachine gunners, one shotgunner and one man with an assault rifle. Their plan, kill every last hostile as quickly as possible and complete the mission with great speed.
"... are armed and dangerous, and have acquired stolen body armor. SWAT's mission here is to safely retrieve hostages, eliminate hostiles without casualty, and apprehend those responsible ."
Oddly enough Lieutenant Wilson and his SWAT set up their men very similarly to the German counterparts down to the organization of men and their arms, with Wilson as the sniper of the group. Their plan was slightly more complicated, disorient the enemy, rush in, and arrest them, instead of killing the hostile force.
As both squads made their way towards the opposite sides of the large building and prepared their battering rams to enter. Both squads had no idea that the "heavily armed hostiles" would in fact be each other, and their standard operation would be a lot harder than they first thought. GSG-9 busted the door knob off the the end of a Fabarm FP6, and slowly opened the door just enough for them to emerge through. SWAT had brought a battering ram, and after a few hits, they busted down the door completely.
Wilson and Weber set up on the far end of the large room, and ordered their men to storm the rest of the area to find the "hostiles". The SWAT commander loaded his Remington 700 and waited. Weber on the other hand, decided to move up a little bit to a more manageable range, and then loaded his DSR-1.
The SWAT operatives spread out across the room ready to outflank their enemy, while GSG-9 decided to adopt a closer knit formation to overwhelm whoever they met with their firepower.
Now spotting the SWAT men, one GSG-9 member through a flashbang at them, throwing their aim off track. Taking advantage of their disorder, Weber fired off his DSR-1, making one of the SWAT members fly backwards hitting the cover behind them. Realizing they'll become an easy target for sniper fire if they don't move quickly, the SWAT members run as fast s as they can so that they are out of the sightline.
Wilson fired back with his own sniper, striking a moving GSG-9 member in the back of the head . It was at this point where both snipers were rendered essentially useless, as their sight lines were completely covered with as the two groups got closer and closer to each, preventing them from providing adequate support.
Meanwhile the rest of the SWAT group had begun their fight again their German counterparts, and were having great difficulty. They couldn't move very far from their position, due to the monstrous MP5 fire spraying the area.Seizing the advantage, one GSG-9 member moves around to a lone SWAT member with a M4 Carbine clutched in his hands.
Spotting the GSG-9 man, he quickly sprang to a small chair, and immediately began putting out burst-fire. The GSG-9 member smirked to himself, moving forward as the bursts stopped. The M4 was out of ammo, and as he reloaded, the SWAT member switched his weapon to fully automatic fire, and fired directly at the GSG-9 member, striking him in the leg. This however caused him to temporarily lose his target, and misses several shots, and giving the GSG-9 to use his HK416 to fire two rounds in his stomach and just below his heart..
His comrades had began to move forward with him and he had just started to do so when a Benelli M4 pellet launched into his back, forcing him flat on to the ground . Trying to repel the SWAT members from getting so close to each other the shotgunner, starts to pump his shotgun and is able to get out one shot, hitting the side of one of them, but before he can get out another pump, he's immediately hitting by an UMP round. He clutches his side and quickly falls over.
It was now up to the submachine gunner to put out enough firepower to dispatch their foes. The UMP user's weapon made a distinctive *click*, meaning he had ran out of ammo. Another flashbang was thrown out, giving the remaing GSG-9 member ample time to two run up to them, and immediately kill one of the SWAT members with a hailstorm of rounds , but just as he was about to finish the other off, he too runs out of ammo.
Instead of firing at the last SWAT member, he forces his UMP out of his hands, and begins to pull out his VP9 pistol, but is stopped by a massive shock by the SWAT's taser. The last thing he saw was a Kimball Custom pointed at his chest and it's flash. Satisfied that it was over he began to look for the hostages, but looked up in horror as Weber had his own VP9 up and ready, and fires one round straight into him.
Both leaders had been attempting to provide overwatch of the battle, and standing by. But at this point both knew it was only them left. Lieutenant Wilson pulls out his Kimball and moves towards the center of the the room with Weber doing the same.
Weber began firing on the lone SWAT leader with Wilson firing back as soon as possible. But the modified M-1911 quickly ran out of ammo but the VP9 still had plenty. He silently cursed to himself knowing it was smarter to switch to his baton than to try to reload as Weber was approaching rather quickly.
The VP9 then finally ran out of ammo, so he too quickly pulled out his own melee, his Glock knife. They were then face to face, fully committed to a full on melee battle. Wilson punched Weber in the stomach and then tried to hit his shoulder with the baton, but was quickly grabbed and slashed in the arm in return.
Weber then attacks himself, going for a stab onto Wilson's baton arm, but is hit in the arm with enough force to knock the knife out of his hands, and is pushed to the ground. The two men wrestle upon the ground, with neither able to get much of an advantage over the other. Then finally, Weber is able to free his hand enough to grab Wilson and flip him onto the ground.
His knife is right beside the SWAT leader's head and he takes it, and puts it up to Wilson's neck. Wilson then understands his fate. He's stuck and has a knife straight up to his neck. But just than some type of speaker noise booms throughout the room in two languages, German and English
"Simulation complete, all units head towards the barracks for an after action report."
Weber stood up and extended his hand towards Wilson, to which he quickly accepted. In a thick German accent, Weber uttered " Not bad for an American", with a laugh. Wilson laughed himself and answered with "Nicht schlecht für einen Deutschen". Weber's eyes opened wide with surprise" Oh so you learned some German?". Wilson nodded and put his arm across Weber's back as all the rest of the combatant stood up and gathered by their leaders and shook each others' hands. It had all been a training operation to test the capabilities of each of the groups,and no one had actually been killed.
In the first modern rematch of Deadliest Warrior, GSG-9 easily won here. Most of their weapons were superior, with exception being their shotgun. All of their weapons were designed to kill compared to SWAT which had multiple non-lethal options they tried to utilize first. This lies the main reason they won, the men themselves. GSG-9 is the better trained,more experienced, and are better suited for straight-up combat.SWAT is designed to complete an operation without casualty, while GSG-9 has no qualms with quickly and efficiently killing hostiles, giving them a well deserved victory in this rematch.