User blog:Monkey Doctor 33/Clash of the Orc Warlords! Grimgor Ironhide vs Grommash Hellscream

Orcs. Perhaps they are the meanest and most badass of all the fantasy races out there. They're tough, they're brutal, and they always get their asses kicked by everyone on the light side. Of course not all orcs are simple grunts that serve as targets for our protagonists. But then, they have the purpose of being the Dark Lord's disposable soldiers, right? Though dark lords usually reign over them, some of them are leaders in their own rights, leading armies of battle-hungry warriors capable of destroying civilizations. Today, enter the battlefield as I pit two powerful orc warlords in a fight to the death! On the left-hand side we have Grimgor Ironhide, the Once and Future Git whose sheer strength inspires numerous orcs across Warhammer World! On the right-hand side we have Grommash Hellscream, the chieftain of the Warsong Clan and the orc who slayed the Pit Lord, Mannoroth! Can Grimgor's savagery be able to overcome Grommash's willpower? Or can Grommash's Gorehowl dwarf the strength of the Gitsnik? WIthout further ado, let us jump to the battle! Grimgor Ironhide, Da Best Black Orc Warlord to have ever lived in recent years in Warhammer World whose reputation is only matched by his toughness! VS Grommash Hellscream, the  Chieftain of the Warsong Clan who plunged Draenor's orcs into demonic servitude right before freeing them by slaying their dark master! In this battle between fearsome orcs... Who is Deadliest?

Grimgor Ironhide


"Everfing I see is mine. All da uvver bits are mine too - I just ain't got there yet. When we reach da end of da whole world, we'll turn around and march back."

- Grimgor Ironhide

Grimgor Ironhide was a legendary Black Orc Warlord who claims dominion over many Greenskin tribes. Though he looks just as brutish and stupid as any other orcs, Grimgor was an unusual orc for his even greater thirst for battle and strength. Tales are told of his appearance alongside an exhausted band of orcs now known as Da Immortulz out from the Blasted Wastes. Upon entering the north of the World's Edge Mountains, he dominated the local Greenskin tribes and carved himself a small empire. Ever since then, Grimgor has always been in the thick of battle fighting against foes innumerable and even in the End Times, going head-to-head against the Everchosen himself who unfortunately killed the Warboss.

Grommash Hellscream


"When you hear our howls of war, when you feel the ground quake beneath you, then you will know what it means to be Warsong."

- Grommash Hellscream

Grommash Hellscream was the Chieftain of the Warsong Clan, one of the most infamous orcish clans in Draenor. Aside from his ferocity and savagery, he was also known to be the first orc who drank the blood of Mannoroth, the Destructor, thus binding the entire Horde to the will of the Burning Legion. He participated in many engagements against the Alliance in Azeroth, leaving trails of corpses behind. That, was until he was freed of Mannoroth's blood by Thrall and his allies. After deciding to put an end to Mannoroth's schemes once and for all, he and Thrall engaged in an epic battle against the Pit Lord which ended with him ending the curse, freeing the orc race at once.

Note: We will be using the original timeline Grommash, which means he is empowered by the Blood Curse here.

Grimgor Ironhide
Gitsnik= Forged from the damned forges of Zharr-Nagrond, the capital city of the Chaos Dwarfs, Gitsnik, the Foe Killer is Grimgor's one and only weapon. Though it has been repeatedly used throughout the ages, Gitsnik never goes out of wear and it murders anyone who dares to fight him with great consistency. The axe's design is crude but the strength backing it allows Grimgor to deal all sorts of punishment to his enemies.

To mortal humans, the double-bladed axe looks is an oversized two-handed axe not even strong men can lift it. To Grimgor, Gitsnik's usage doesn't matter as he can chop off heads with both one or two hands with the same effectiveness. Charms from mighty orc shamans cover the axe and the result is Grimgor literally capable of swinging the axe as fast as any men swinging their daggers.

Gitsnik is an extremely powerful axe. With it he has slit the throat of the dragon of a certain dark elf lord, cut through swathes of superhuman daemons and chaos knights who basically wear magical plate armor, slay cohorts of monstrous Rat Ogres bigger than him, and defeat fellow lords such as Greasus Goldtooth. Since it is a large axe, a range advantage is expected. And despite the axe basically lacking any clear feats, it's still a powerful weapon to behold with. Blood-Forged Armor= Nothing much can be said about Grimgor's blood-forged armor. It is a battered, scarred, and twisted armor that has served Grimgor in many battles. It's hard to distinguish whether Grimgor's survival is attributed to his amazing endurance and durability or armor, but so far the blood-forged armor has always looked the same as the first time he's spotted wearing this thing. However, from his past battles we can see that the armor should've at least done something in deflecting attacks such as mystic axes, arrows, primitive bullets, or even the fire of a dragon.

Grommash Hellscream
Gorehowl= The legendary Gorehowl was Grommash's primary weapon before his son was handed over the weapon. Forged in the hearts of six or seven gronn, this axe has sown terror across many battlefields. Wielding it with two-hands is the best way of using it. But Grom has no qualms using it with one hand. It has a single-edged blade and size-wise it's pretty big. Problem is, as the Warlords of Draenor cinematic showed, it has a smaller size this time around.

No matter how big it is, the Gorehowl is a true killer of entities. Gorehowl is most famously remembered for being the weapon that penetrated the supernatural body of the Pit Lord, Mannoroth, who's far from being a certain Class 2 Super-Soldier and can take a catapult boulder without much damage. Indeed, the gronn hearts sealed within the axe grant it unmatched power, making it a deadly adversary against even higher-level beings. Cenarius, an elven demigod, even fell victim to this axe. However, aside from his godly status Cenarius has no feats of strength whatsoever.

The axe has a heavy blade and its design allows air to whistle through its dots, creating otherworldly "screams" that give the axe its name when swung. It barely has any effect on the battle, though. In the Lords of War cinematic, Grommash didn't wield the Gorehowl, using two little axes in its place. But since these axes are nothing compared to the Gorehowl, it can be assumed that Grommash can perform the axes' feats with his Gorehowl. What did he do with those small weapons? He knocked down, killed, and cut through hordes of ogres as if they're nothing. As seen in the Lords of War miniseries which took place in both the original and alternate timelines, Grommash rode upon the back of a worg in times before he drank Mannoroth's blood. He may not have as much armor as his opponent, but a nasty wolf with nasty teeth can sure give him more options in attacking the armored Grimgor. Essentially oversized wolves, worgs have served many orcs in the battlefield as trusted companions and Grommash ain't an exception. They're smarter than normal wolves and weigh over a thousand pounds (453 kilograms). They also have a length of ten feet, and a sight of this creature will surely terrify unprepared contenders.
 * -|Worg=

Trained to obey Grommash with unquestioning loyalty, the worg definitely has a degree of supernatural strength and can maul down ogres and other creatures alike. The worg has quite a resistance towards blunt trauma but getting stabbed by multiple spears all at once can easily take down the creature, as Grommash learned it the hard way when he struck deep into ogre lands. Even so, the wolf's fangs can easily pierce bone, muscle, and skin. When Grommash is exposed or stunned, the wolf can protect its master and fight for him. Aside from strength, speed is another one of the wolf's advantages. Grom himself is already a fairly quick orc, and the worg is even faster.

X-Factors

 * 1) Physicality
 * 2) Experience
 * 3) Intellect
 * 4) Training

Grimgor Ironhide=
 * 1) Standing way taller than humans and bigger than normal orcs, Grimgor has a physically imposing stature. From freeing himself from the clutches of the dark dwarfs to his final battle with Archaon, the Everchosen, time and time again has Grimgor demonstrated the futility of physically fighting him head-on. First with his stamina, Grimgor is a freaking enduring orc who can fight on for hours upon hours without even resting. He took on waves of Rat Ogres supposedly stronger than orcs for hours and he came out victorious. Second with his strength he defeated the enormous Greasus Goldtooth who is far larger than him. Obese he might be, but he does possess super strength and Grimgor killed him with a single blow of his own club. With his muscles backing up his axe, he has cut the throat of a dragon and his thick head destroyed Archaon's metal helmet. Durability and endurance wise, he took the fire breathe of a dragon and came out unfazed only to wreck the dragon's neck. He also withstood a magical blizzard that froze many of his orc and goblin boyz. Simply put, Grimgor Ironhide is truly a powerful orc.
 * 2) Though his victory over Archaon was retconned, Grimgor's still an experienced chap all by himself. Before becoming what we know of him today, he incited a rebellion against his dark dwarf masters and survived the ordeal. Afterwards he and Da Immortulz dominated a crap load of greenskin clans right after they're freed from their slavers. Then he pounded the elite forces of the good dwarfs and forced them into isolating themselves within their hold, conquered one of their own holds in another occasion and pounded the ever-living hell out of the night goblin clans there. In the same place he and his boyz took on swarms of skavens and Grimgor was so freaking tough three freakin' clans had to unite against him. And he left Karak Ungor unharmed, only because he's bored with them and their abominations. Aside from those, Grimgor was likely to have faced the other races living in the Old World since all he did was to find more battles to fight. Lastly in the End Times, Grimgor managed to prove himself as Da Best as he held his own and briefly dominated the Chaos Gods' mightiest champion, Archaon the Everchosen.
 * 3) Unfortunately this is where things start to go wrong. Grimgor never lost a single battle in his life and the only loss that he suffered was retconned alongside his victory over Archaon. Problem is Grimgor's not exactly the smartest orc around. Muscle and grit did he possess, but tactical skills did he lack. Grimgor was more of a warrior than a planner and in-combat he usually resorted to his brute strength. In fact, in the battle that retconned his defeat, Grimgor was beaten by a Chaos Champion who happened to have even more strength than him and Grimgor fought him in exactly the same way. Even if he was to be outnumbered in the battlefield, all he did was summon his people and let them maul however they wanted the enemies to be. Not to say he's stupid, though. But he's simple-minded.
 * 4) There's absolutely no record of Grimgor's training and his victories over a wide variety of enemies were attributed to his strength and skill in wielding his axe. He's proficient in using his might but he's got no formal training at all.
 * -|Grommash Hellscream=
 * 1) Even without the Blood Curse, Grommash was already a strong orc as he plowed through waves of ogres with equal strength and held out for months in captivity without any sustenance. Grom still had enough strength to kill an ogre by biting him even when his body was all but skin and bone. His endurance also allowed him to take on painful attacks such as when Nobundo crushed his right hand to no avail. He was also able to lift a catapult by himself albeit with effort. His muscles backed the Gorehowl in penetrating Mannoroth's body and with his blood he was able to slay the demigod, Cenarius. Though considered non-canon, Grommash is definitely an agile warrior. The Blood Curse turned him into a hulking brute but there's no denying that he's still faster than common orcs as he was before without the curse.
 * 2) Grommash embarked on several campaigns before coming into contact with Gul'dan or Azeroth. He led bold raids into ogre territories with his Warsong and most likely had fought numerous other battles involving rival clans and Draenor's native beasts. He fought in the Second War and felt the glory of killing the Alliance's warriors and slaying the night elf demigod, Cenarius. He fought alongside other orc warlords and finally before his death, he managed to redeem himself by slaying Mannoroth with some help from the heroic Thrall.
 * 3) The Blood Curse kind of hampered his intellect, filling his mind with savagery, but Grommash still retained some of his past knowledge. Before being cursed, Grommash was already an able hit-and-run tactician and actually utilized patience and baiting tactics when he was captured by the ogres. But aside from that, nothing else could be said about his brains.
 * 4) Same as Grimgor, Grommash had no formal training whatsoever. But with his skills in combat and how he was described to actually have a fighting style, Grommash had to have some battle training instead of simply utilizing brute force. He would use his speed against his opponent and his axe swings were more than simple chopping motions. He could spin around and wreck people with his axe and he could definitely have his wolf distract his enemy one way or another.