Board Thread:Warrior's Pub/@comment-27334870-20170928034843/@comment-26395956-20170928091345

Definitely unfair. I have waited for some time to pull out this kinda thread again after that Deadpool thread, but well, here's the thread made by you, buddy Aaron.

When I first entered this wiki, I scoured around to see some warriors here battle against one another. Well... the moment I saw Vilgax vs Grievous, I know it's unfair as hell. And if you want to know, even if Grievous has four lightsabers and an insane amount of skill, Vilgax outright outclasses him in-if not most- every ways.

First, by my memories, Vilgax is more experienced. The fact that he's a conqueror also reinforces this. While Grievous fought many powerful alien Jedi, he ended up getting screwed by Mace Windu before being killed by Obi-Wan. Yes, Mace Windu was the one that made him weak against lil' Obi. Mace actually crushed Grievous' heart with his telekinesis, and Obi later became the last Jedi he ever fought. On Vilgax's part, he has fought a crap ton of aliens summoned from the Omnitrix and he lasted quite longer than Grievous. You can argue that Grievous himself was in the Clone Wars television show for a considerable amount of time, but before Grievous started making himself infamous, Vilgax already had a pre-existing origin detailing his experience even before the start of And Then There Were Ten.

Well, maybe the previous part was kind of pointless because the next points are truly the ones that make it unfair.

Second, and the third, and the fourth, and so on? Those points are actually the same: Vilgax skilfully and physically outmatches Grievous. I gotta hand it to Grievous, he's fast as hell even in extended canon stories, and his speed is even more enhanced in the Legends continuity. But against both continuities, Vilgax still is faster than the two versions. Believe me, even if Vilgax is apparently slower (if someone proves me wrong), his durability is unbelievable. Lightsabers can cut through nearly all forms of materials, ja. But can four lightsabers harm a titanic Hulk-like being (no, Hulk would still win against Vilgax) who managed to tank a nuclear blast?

Oh wait, apparently he didn't tank the nuke. He took the nuke, but he was heavily wrecked. But still, impressive endurance feat there. However, such injuries also led to his Hulk-like form in S2, which is the main argument point here. S2 Vilgax is way too powerful for Grievous to handle. And after S2 Vilgax's time went by, most "normal" future incarnations of Vilgax also shared the same amount of strength and skill as the said incarnation. FYI, S2 Vilgax is fast enough to tag XLR8, and we all know how fast that alien is. He withstood a full-on heatwave by Heatblast, and it's claimed to be Heatblast's stronger blast. Vilgax took little to no damage from that. He also withstood lasers from Chromastone. And believe me, Grievous may can hold-off laser blasts from the clone troopers' blasters but not in such a concentrated way as Chromastone. Hell, Grievous is actually vulnerable to lightsabers themselves. Because believe me, his chassis isn't supposed to primarily take damage from the said weapons. It's supposed to keep him alive. And I can't imagine how many seconds would it take for Vilgax to outright rush him, disarm him of his lightsabers, then crushing his entire body with his strength.

Strength and speed are things I primarily pointed out up above, but Appel's also right. "Anyone with a long range attack that can bypass lightsabers and can stay out of the range of the lightsabers can royally f*ck up Grievous."

Hmm... actually, you have to consider Grievous' speed on that one. Yes, I mentioned that Vilgax is probably (correction, sorry) faster than Grievous, but his weapons aren't faster than Grievous. Grievous' speed actually allows him to take on multiple Jedi Masters at once. And in the world of the Jedi, speed is king and most of them are faster than... average (was about to say light but, nah). Example? Grievous fought Shaak Ti, Ki Adi Mundi, and two other famous Jedi Masters that I forgot. But I swear, they look familiar. At the fight, Grievous was able to keep up with the incoming onslaught of the Jedi Masters in such a pace that their lightsabers make afterimages as the fight went on. Yeah, that might've sounded very simple but believe me, matching the speed of four goddamn Jedi Masters is a hard feat to perform.

As an extra point, Vilgax's equipments are actually pretty much crap compared to Grievous'. He has a ray gun... but firing it would be pointless because Grievous could just outright deflect/hold off the blasts with his sabers. Vilgax has a sword that looks plasma-ish? Actually, those are just "flames" that cover his blade, styled after plasma (correct me if I'm wrong, folks). Vilgax's sword does have an awesome property that can counter Grievous' E-5 blaster and lightsaber, which is its energy projection ability. No, it doesn't sprout out lightsabers on its own, but it can be used to deflect the E-5 blaster. Still, I bet Vilgax's blade would get outright cut down by the sabers.

The only equipments that are useful against Grievous, but also his main trump card and why the battlle's unfair, are his Shield of Ziegel and Ruby Ray of Ulo. These two Alien Force armaments are actually OP against someone like Grievous. The Ruby Ray of Ulo, especially, is a one-hit kill weapon. Yes, it simply weakened Ultimos with a blast, but Vilgax actually said that "lesser" beings would actually get outright disintegrated usually. Ultimos is an exception because he does have a hidden potential. Grievous' speed can counter the Ruby Ray of Ulo, but the moment it hits him, he's dead. The Shield of Ziegel on the other hand, protects him COMPLETELY from Grievous' lightsabers. Sure, he won't use it all the time. But he can always harass Grievous by constantly bringing the shield up. And FYI, the shield is strong enough to withstand a space ship's cannons. Jetray's blasts, and Ultimos' beating. But that, is if the shield generates its energy field.

I think I said enough about this kind of stuff so I'll just summarize why it's unfair. FYI (again), I just put out the points up above to tell my opinion in why it's unfair.

1. Grievous is physically weaker and is less experienced. Sure, in some battles this kind of thing won't matter. But the gap between Grievous and Vilgax is seriously high (except S1 Vilgax). It's like comparing Daredevil to the Hulk. Want another little prove? Vilgax defeated Humongosaur with a ridiculous amount of ease.

2. His lightsabers are utterly useless against someone whose durability is extremely high and has energy shields to back himself up. Sure, Grievous can cut him with the sabers. But remember Vilgax's endurance?

3. Grievous lacks the ranged attacks Vilgax possesses. Vilgax can just go for a one-hit kill using his Ruby Ray of Ulo or his heat vision (yes, Aaron's right). Oh, and not to mention that he can fly, ja?

4. Grievous tries to go stealthy on him? He has the enhanced hearing to help him out. Really, Vilgax is just way too versatile for Grievous.

i think that's all and Dargo, please correct me if I am wrong in many ways. I to be honest am not familiar to the Ben 10 series but I do know how powerful Vilgax is. Thanks.