User blog comment:Kazanshin/Barbarians made Kings: Aterui vs Fritigern/@comment-17814994-20190701114817/@comment-35680048-20190703000759

Elgb... im sorry but this isn't really that good of a vote for multiple reasons.

1. The ranged weapons of the Goths aren't going to "decimate"the Emishi. Sure they provide more versatile options for ranged conbat, bur they aren't going to rip through the Emishi like you say they are. Many of them have curiass which should fare rather well against them. And even thw less forunate ones at least have some form of armor to protect themselves. You can make the case that the Goths can match the Emishi here, but you can't place that much importance on the angon and francisca.

2. Your cavalry argument is... let's face it flawed. Let's first address the fact that the Emishi have 2000 more troops at their disposal in this category. This allows them to easily overwhelm and harass multiple types of troops at the same time and have more firepower in general. And when it comes to the Yumi... Elgb buddy, we've talked about this is previous battles, the Yumi isn't nearly as underpowered as you say it is. Kazzy has rebutted you on this before so i'm not going into detail on this. And don't underestimate the Emishi melee weapons here. Being able to be heavy archers/shock cavalry at the same time is something the Emishi can do very easily. Sure the spears and axes are nice, but that does jack shit against an enemy that has far superior armor and superior numbers to back it up.

3. "while Fritgern is no doubt an expert in defensive strategies." No... just no... You're undoubtedly basing this upon the battles provided, like everyone else, so I have no clue why you believe that Fritigern was some sort of defensive genius. All the odds were in his favor. Not only were the Romans overconfident and uncoordinated due to thwir cockiness, he just so happened to have support arrive just when he needed it. That isn't defensive skill, that's getting lucky. Aterui was able to use his greater skill in ambushes to overcome his enemy.(Who by the way had over twice the men of Aterui)

4. Your overall really isn't convincing in determining a warrior. Your first paragraph isn't because you have multiple problems with your logic in the two edges you give to Fritigern. Next just because he fought the Huns, doesn't mean he can beat the Emishi. They aren't same peoples. The Emishi have superior metallurgy to them (with their metal armor), and they have the clearly better tactical record( If Attila vs Alexander the agreat shows anything.)

Elgb, I honestly think you overestimate multiple facets of Fritigern, his army and his tactical ability against Aterui. It just doesn't make sense to me