User blog comment:Wassboss/Deadliest Warrior Rematch: Comanche vs Mongol/@comment-17814994-20181119045353

Elgb's "Here Comes Those Pesky Spamming Horse Archers AGAIN!!! (Only TW Fans Would Know This)" EDGES!!!

Melee: Mongol knife takes it since its way longer and probably made up of better materials than the bone handle rough iron of the scalping knife. EDGE: Mongol

Mid: This is a tough one. Its basic universal law in Ancient Warfare that polearms tend to beat swords almost all the time with its length (believe it or not swords were actually back-up weapons and the spear was the main waepon). Unless the Mongol is carrying any claymore or zweihander I dont' see the saber beating a poelarm in a fight. Granted, the Comanche is carrying a lance, not a spear, but the thing about Plains Indians lances is that they are short and comfortable enough to be used on foot as well. So in the end, the Comanche lance's length and power beats the saber both on foot and on horseback for me. EDGE: Comanche

Long: Ah yes, there's no doubt in my mind that a Recurve Bow beats an ordinary Self Bow any day of the weak. Not only does the Comanche bow lack range, it too lacks power, since Comanches use predominantly barbed arrows against their enemies. While these are nasty when it hits, those also reduces its penentration power. These arrows will be useless against the Mongol's armor. The only disadvantage I see with the recurve bow here is its length and speed (its well known that you cannot shoot a recurve bow from the side of a gallpoing horse like a short self bow), but I'm pretty sure the power and range it has makes up for it. If it can penetrate even Medieval armor, it will surely go through a Native American cleanly. EDGE: Mongol

Special: I have to disagree with some about this. The war mace was made to fight against armored opponents since its weight doubles blunt force trauma. However, this heavy thing will be almost useless when faced against a fast moving opponent. It can kill a Comanche outright with one swing, but its too heavy and too telegraphic that a Comanche can easily dodge it. The warhawk isn't a good weapon either, but its got way more range. And while that spike will be difficult to use when it embeds on an opponent's skull, it is a spike nonetheless which is useful when dehorsing even armored opponents. I can even argue that with the right swing it can go through simple lamellar and silk armor that most of the Mongols are using (and even go through the gaps of iron scales). EDGE: Comanche

Armor: Yeah the buffalo shield is practically useless in this battle, as I see most of the Mongol's weapons going through it with ease. The armor that the Mongol is using, while not as felxible as a shield in protecting its user, is way more practical and protects a larger surface area than the shield. EDGE: Mongol

Horse: Again, I have to disagree with some and give my edge to the Native American Horse. A mustang has a longer history of evolution and breeding with other tough horses than the isolated Mongolian horse. Its leaner, taller and can probably run faster (there have been accounts of Mustangs being used as race horses back then). The stockier built of the Mongolian horse makes it slightly a better horse when travelling great distanced, but this is a short fight, and I don't see this battle going through places. Also, its not actually a Mongolian horse, but more like a Mongolian "pony" that the Mongols used (NO! not that kind of 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pony] ), so they are smaller and probably less durable in a fight.

X-Factors: Both came from a history of steppe warrior lineage and fought and rode at pretty young ages. But in the end I have to give it to the Mongols for better logistics, metallurgy and materials, as well as experience fighting a larger variety of enemeis across the globe. EDGE: Mongol

Deadliest Warrior?

Was there any doubt? Before voting, I was questioning myself whetehr I should even vote because the overall majority speaks for itself. The Mongol would obviously crush the Comanche. They are the better steppe horse archers here simply because of better weapons and x-factors. The main thing that made horse archers dangerous is their bows, and the Mongols have the better bows here. The Comanche may have the edge in horses, but these are negated if they don't even have the right weapons to effectively fight the Mongols. The Mongol's experience fighting and adapting to opponents who were technologically more advanced than them (like primitive guns and steel armor), are something that the Comanches could never beat.

But alot of you might ask me, "Elgb? Didn't the  Comanches defeated gun-totting settlers?" And while I agree with that, since Comahces did defeat the Spanish and Mexican government, Native American fanboys tend to forget that they got utterly demolished when the Americans showed up. They put up a long fight but in the end, they were forced to submit.

I will disagree with Appel though on the notion that "Native Americans cannot beat the Mongols" (as we've already seen in Genghis Khan vs Red Cloud), but in this fight however, a traditional Comanche warrior with almost primitive weapons has no chance against a Mongol.