User blog:Tomahawk23/Alfa Group Vs. GSG-9



In a battle between what is possibly the two greatest counter-terrorist units in the world. One a Russian counter-terroism unit tasked with counter-terroism, as well as special operations in a time of war!! The other, a top-notch counter-terroism unit who has delt with some of the biggest hostage situations in history. In a battle between modern weapons and small unit tactics only one will be The Deadliest Warrior!

Alfa Groug
Alfa Group is part of F.S.B or Federal Security Service which is what replaced the K.G.B but also acts like the F.B.I. Alfa Group was founded in 1974 in the Aftermath of the Munich Olympics. It was hoped that the Soviet Union's capacity to defend against a terrorist attack would increase significantly with the creation of this unit. Originally this special-purposed counter-terroism unit was involved in delicate operations that necissatated its members' unique skill set. Such as the 1983 highjacking of Aeroflot flight 6833 hijacking. Its use would expand into more military oriented and less counter-terroism focused operations in the Soviet-Afgan War. Most notabally their participation in the assassination of the Afgan President. This marked the start of the Soviet Occupation of Afganhistan and the group's extensive involvedment throughout it. When the Soviet Union colapsed Russia became a target for terroism sincd then the group has had extensive counter-terroism efforts, such as various hostages rescues such as the 2004 Baslan School Siege where they rescued over 800 hostages at a school (300 hostages died in fire at the very end), as well as tracking down various terroist figures. During this time the group has also had extensive involvement in various conflicts involving Russia. Such as the Chechen Wars, South Ossetia War, Civil War in Tajikistan, and several others. Alfa Group's main role is currently counter-terroism, though they still continue to be involved in every major conflict involving Russia. They ae capable of parachuting and various other things similar to that. Alfa Group is rigorously trained and can operate behind enemy lines for long periods of time.

GSG-9
During the Munich Massacre the incident culminated when German police unequiped and trained to deal with this situation underestimated the number of terrorists and attempted to free the hostages. This resulted in the deaths of all hostages, five out of eight terroirsts, and one German police man. German law-enforcement found itself severely humiliated due to their historic relationship with Jews and Israelis. As a result, the West German Govornment created a unit that would be able to respond to these types of situations hence the GSG-9. Their first real situations would be in the Luftansa Flight hijacking. In which 30 GSG-9 operators with the help of 2 SAS operators helped free 85 hostages from 4 terrorists. The flight had traveled all over the world and eventually landed to refuel in Mogadishu where the GSG-9 and 2 SAS operators freed them. Only one hostage was killed and that was before this operation took place. After the Iranian embassy siege the GSG-9 would be based off of the SAS's counter-terrorist teams. Since then the GSG-9 has been used in other hostage situations, as well as dealing with kidnappers and some counter-piracy. Like any federal counter-terroirst unit, all members must be ex cops, ex military, or have worked for some agency for the German gov. The GSG-9 has the capabilities to parachute, and operate maritime. GSG-9 members cross train with France's G.I.G.N, Spain's G.E.O, Hong Kong's S.D.U, Malaysia's S.A.U, America's S.W.AT, and H.R.T teams.

X-factors
Alfa Group/GSG-9

Training/88/82

Alfa Group is a federal counter-terrorist unit with military special forces standards and capabilities, they are able to operate behind enemy lines for long periods of time and have gone up against actual military forces. Their wartime capabilities have been shown in the Soviet-Afgan War, and the Chechen Wars. The GSG-9 are hihgly trained but they are not trained to go up against actual military forces. They are trained to deal with terrorists and dangerous criminals.

Operational Experience/90/85

Both groups were founded arund the same time. However, Alfa Group has had constant involvement in various wars, as well as dealing with various hostage situations especially recently. GSG-9 has delt with many hostage situations and kidnappings. However, where GSG-9 may have 50 missions a year. During wartime Alfa Group will have well over 80.

Organization85/93

 Alfa Group has millions of troops and cops to select from. Meanwhile GSG-9 only has 200 thousand troops and several hundred thousand cops to select from. Germany also has higher standards of their recruits then Russia. They are a smaller size and more organized. Plus we all know the Germans and the Japanese are the most organized people in the world.

Arguments

GSG-9 Argument (By Red):
Although Alfa Group bring some effective perks and capability to the table, I think GSG 9 has out done them here. GSG 9 was founded in 1973, giving them an operational history difference of 1 year against Alfa Group, in this time, history saw special operations teams, in perticular western ones, begin to counter a growing number of terrorist high jackings onboard western airlines. GSG 9 stepped up to the rising challenge and put the terrorists back in their place, as shown by operations like Fire Magic and Flight 737. Although not a war time group like Alfa Group, GSG 9 has been on constant alert and has been utilised tremendousley ever since just as Alfa Group has but that 1 year difference put thems in a significant position. Miniscule differences will decide the winner here since both units are very skilled. And a 1 year difference is one. GSG 9 have always maintained co-operation with other elite counter-terroism units like CO19 and GIGN and its evident they learn and teach eachother, such as co-operation between CO-19 and GSG 9 for the 2012 Olympics. The fact that GSG 9 has a rich tradition for making their team lethal by not only learning their lessons but others puts them in the better place than Alfa Group. GSG 9 has gone as far as two co-operate which special forces such as the SAS during the Flight 737 incident. Just another lesson for the unit to learn from elite special forces. Both special forces will feel the grind in order to win and tight close quarter scenarios that counter-terrosim training is gievn the GSG-9 above all else will give them a advanatge at Urban combat while Alfa Group is more flexible and has other priorities. Although Alfa Group has partispated in war time scenarios, GSG 9 are deployed on a heavily regular basis and many years of training through near war time events like the cold war and the terrorist troubles has given these guys the experience they need to tackle their Russian opponents. GSG 9 today bring the modern and up to date kit which has carved a legend for reliability and effectiveness. Overall, I think the training, 1 years of operational experience and weaponary that GSG-9 bring will outdo their russian counter-parts and make GSG 9 the deadliest warrior.

Alfa Group Argument (By EA):
The Alfa Group (better known to you Call of Duty fans as the FSB from MW2's No Russian) are going to triumph over the GSG-9 for the same exact reason that the SWAT Team did: operational experience. Redkite blows the 1-year difference of their existence way out of proportion. If you look at what the Alfa Group has achieved in the time it's been around as compared to the GSG-9 (even with its one-year 'advantage') there's no comparison. The Alfa Group was seriously involved in the occupation of Afghanistan, and notable operations like these are much more dangerous than boarding a plane to shoot at untrained terrorists, and ultimately have a greater impact on global politics. The Alfa Group has also brought its firepower to Chechnya, against a ruthless adversary that is willing to resort to torture and civilian casualties to achieve their goals - and the sick thing about it is that you have to be just as brutal to effectively fight an enemy like that. The Russian military as a whole (Alfa Group included) is going to have strong discipline tied into their training (which the Russians have an advantage in) and that grounding in discipline means they'll be able to hold their position under fire a lot more easily than the aggressive GSG-9 who are used to breaching and "kicking in the damn door". The Alfa Group can hold their ground as well as push forward on the offensive. The Alfa Group has been trained to go up against military forces, and the work they pulled off against the enemy forces speaks for itself. Finally, look at the weapons that the two teams are bringing in; the GSG-9's weapons are specialist weapons that are perfectly suited for hostage-rescuing and breaching missions as well as long-range overwatch. The Alfa Group is bringing in the durable and hard-hitting firepower that the Russian military brings to bear in every conflict. Ultimately, the difference between these two special forces groups is who they fight and how - the GSG-9 fights terrorists with handguns while the Alfa Group charges into warzones against competent foes who can fight back, and they're more flexible to boot. No matter the situation, the Alfa Group has been there and is prepared."