User blog comment:Postapocfan1999/Joel (The Last of Us) vs Bill (Left 4 dead 1)/@comment-10190509-20130714035455/@comment-72.35.125.31-20130716044316

Their is no argument as to whether a fire arms can be used as a melee weapon, it can, it is. The debate rather was about wether or not a fire arms used in such a manner could/should be classified as improvised weapons. Bulls opinion was tha because a martial art existed for using them this way that they ceased to be improvised. All I was doing was pointing out that wether or not an art existed for their use as striking implements or not, it doesn't negate that it is not their intended use, nor what they are designed to do. So like any other random object you could design a fighting art around. A fire arm used as a melee weapon, is still an improvised melee weapon.