User blog comment:Godkombat21/Machines gone mad: Brainiac vs Ultron/@comment-26395956-20180301120842

MD 33's Vote: "An Ulterior Brainiac!"

Physicality: Coluan Strength vs Adamantium Strength

Beating up Superman and a whole host of other A-Class heroes is impressive, but sadly I have to give this one to Ultron. Avoiding the eternal argument of who the hell's stronger between Thor and Superman, both are equal in my argument and by now, you might be thinking, "Dude, Ultron has an equal strength to Brainiac, then?"

You're quite right, but what gives me the edge to Ultron is the fact that he actually wrecked Class 100+ heroes like Superman himself in a more frequent basis. Back on those 70s-90s stories, Ultron has tangled with not just the likes of Hulk and Thor, but also those of Wonder Man and other Avengers that are no slouch either in the power department. Brainiac has fought the immensely overpowered Superman and his Justice League and quitely owned them, but Ultron is an entirely different story. Correct me if I'm wrong (this ain't a bias), but Ultron has physically wrecked an entire team of Class 100 Avengers and even screwed up Classic Thor to the point that he grievously wounded him like a pig in a butcher shop!

As an addition, I also see that you're including his technically non-canon feat of killing Luke Cage, Human Torch, and "many others" from Age of Ultron, so I'll take it that he also killed Thor and Hulk, because a panel in that comic (which you pulled his feat out of) actually stated so. Also in Age of Ultron, he broke Captain America's vibranium shield. Not wanting to accept these feats? Remember how he took on Sentry, essentially a hyped-up Superman, evenly without even getting noticeable damage? Yeah, that's something.

If you want to argue that the guys that killed those heroes were actually Ultron Drones, know that Ultron Prime (who's definitely the guy you're using here) is stronger than those puny drones of his, and those drones murdered the hell out of A-Class heroes. Just as a note though, Brainiac has knocked out New Gods (essentially quasi-Supermen in bigger numbers) so that's something to remember. But then, we have this little can from ol' Class 100 Wonder Man (I can't access reddit directly in my country so I gotta unblock it).

Durability: Coluan Techno-Organic Shell + Shield vs Adamantium Armor

Oh this one is much harder to give an edge to. Brainiac's durability, added with his force-field, is especially fearsome considering both his shield and his body tanked beatings from the infamously strong Superman with minimal damage. Hell even his force-field once contained what essentially is a supernova, and that's just OP by the sound of it (it's real, trust me). But without his shield Ultron takes the edge. Sorry Vril Dox, but Ultron's adamantium or whatever-the-hell-it's-made-of shell takes the edge.

Sure, you can take on punches from Superman without any noticeable damage, but can you take on punches from multiple Class 100 beings? No, I'm not talking about that one OP AF Ultron from the future (not Age of Ultron future) that managed to tank the attacks of a legion of Class 80-100 heroes that include multiple Captain Marvels, Sentries, Juggernauts, Terraxes, and Silver Surfers (you get the idea, and I ain't joking here). I'm talking about the past incarnations of Ultron that took on the fearsome Thor's Mjolnir throw without any damage. Hell, even he laughed it off. This is even more impressive considering that the Ultron incarnation I mentioned earlier was actually Ultron-6 who debuted like, half-a-century earlier, with his future incarnations being even STRONGER than that. Assuming you're using current Ultron, that feat still counts. Aside from that, his fight with Sentry proves his durability. Oh and I forgot to add, remember that Ares' adamantine axe (basically an adamantium axe) dents in contact with her shield? Yes, I'd like to point out that Ultron also has a shield like Brainiac's.

Wanna argue that Brainiac can survive the heat and explosion of stars just like Superman can? Well, Ultron once took the explosion of a massive star to the face during Annihilation... and no damage was done, like, zero damage was done to his armor. Not trying to be a fanboy, but this is real.

Superhuman Speed: Krypto-Speed vs Avenger-Speed

I didn't really find many feats of speed for both of these guys, so I'm assuming that they have the same speed. Your description of their speed doesn't help much, either (no, no, not rudeness, but what can I say?). Ultron is far faster than most beings in the Marvel Universe. Yeah, tell that to Makkari and the Runner, as well as Speed-Demon and hell even Quicksilver. Ultron's fast, but his speed is mostly on-point with the reflexes. Brainiac has the same issue here, but I'm giving this once again to Ultron ONLY because of one big thing: FLIGHT. Brainiac lacks flight but he has the Skull Ship, so what? He can't always rely on that giant-arse ship, right?

Other Powers: Mechanokinesis, Psychokinesis, and Regeneration vs Mind Control, Technoforming, and Ultron Virus

Notice how I left out self-sustenance up above. FYI, self-sustenance isn't really important since both of these guys are going to survive the rigors of space and the lack of oxygen, anyway. Brainiac's mechanokinesis is certainly the biggest threat here to Ultron. Ultron does have firewalls and can hack into all of the world's nuclear arsenals as well as Stark Tech itself, but Brainiac's mechanokinesis can distract the Avengers villain. For his psychokinesis, it's certainly impressive that he can take control of the minds of the entirety of Earth's humans, yes. But do you know that in Annihilation, Ultron took control of an entire race of mechanical beings called the Phalanx only using sheer willpower? That's a giant feat from Ultron to counter Brainiac's there. With his Encephalo-Ray as well, he can really mess up Brainiac's mind since it can even render powerful beings like Wonder Man into coma.

Also, remember that one time when Ultron-7 attacked the Inhumans, Fantastic Four, and the Avengers? No? That's alright, not everyone knows of that. But I have to inform you that in his skirmish, he managed to paralyze Black Bolt, Thor, Vision, Invisible Woman, Scarlet Witch, the Thing, Iron Man, Quicksilver, and Medusa with his mind control ability? Sure, it's nothing compared to Brainiac taking over the minds of the entirety of the human race, as well as several Green Lanterns with notably high willpower. But... to be honest, Ultron's telepathy is kind of obsolete to Brainiac.

Brainiac has actually probed and wrecked the New God, Metron (the God of Knowledge) telepathically and took control of the feral Doomsday who technically has no mind at all. But all in all, Ultron's telepathy will be sufficient to counter Brainiac's own.

Regeneration is definitely a good ability to have for Brainiac, but I doubt it can come into effect in this battle because it's not like Wolverine's regeneration which is nearly instantaneous. Still, small edge for him there but I'm not yet done.

Technoforming (Ultron's) admittedly has nothing much going for it because he can't just shape off Brainiac's ass into a frying pan. But with Brainiac's drones, Ultron has many options of converting them either with the Ultron Virus or outright using them as counter-tools against Brainiac. And now we get to the last point of this outrageous section: the Ultron Virus.

The Ultron Virus, like it or not, will take control of Brainiac's mind. He has that willpower within him, but when the Ultron Virus has already hit Brainiac unknowingly, Brainiac's going to be hindered with all those Ultron propagandas inside his brainy ass. Ultron's Virus itself has taken control over Stark Tech. It may be well-overrated, but it's more impressive than hacking Luthor Tech. No, I'm not implying that Stark > Luthor, but most of the time it's Ultron who has hacked into more advanced tech frequently.

Oh and I know you're getting lost here, so I shall remind you: Ultron took over a race of mechanical aliens not with any kind of hacking, but sheer willpower. You get the idea. Not overrating that kind of shit, but y'all Brainiac fans out there need to acknowledge such thing. I myself admit that Brainiac's hacking and telepathic skills are no slouch and superior to Ultron's, but mechanically taking over another being of similar nature is one Brainiac isn't always good at. Yes, he can "easily" take over mundane tech, but Ultron is no mundane tech.

Weapons: That Giant Ship and Those Drones vs Energy Weapons, Molecular Re-Arranger, and Roboticks

Roboticks is going to be useless in this battle due to the majority of Brainiac's body being composed of mechanical parts. Oh and you may not mention the Encephalo Ray, but I must remind you that it's always a staple of Ultron's arsenal. Well, I can accept you not using it but will that count as a nerf? I don't know, but I still have my reasons for giving the edge to Ultron. For a record, the battles takes place on the ship, and that means Brainiac has limited-to-no-options-at-all to use the shrinking feature of the ship as well as its other capabilities. Worry about its durability? They're not going anywhere off the ship, mon ami. Drones swarming on to Ultron with alien firewalls? Get the Virus on and technoform the hell out of those deformed drones and Ultron's already in a direct battle with Brainiac.

Another game changer here is Ultron's Molecular Re-Arranger which can rearrange even adamantium. I believe that Brainiac's own body is somewhat akin to adamantium and oh, all the things Ultron will do to Brainiac. Granted, it won't outright liquify Brainiac's body but you know that it can cancel out his attacks like punches, right? Like, when Brainiac tries to punch Ultron, Ultron can surprise him by using his Molecular Re-Arranger and suddenly make the Coluan's fist temporarily squishy (but not losing its durability)?

Overall, edge goes to Ultron. For the intellect, I'll give it down below.

WINNER: ULTRON

This is by far the longest and most utterly bullshit (as in you know, stressful. Dude, this post literally washed away my brain) post. Brainiac on paper is superior to Ultron. But upon examination, we can see that even the great Brainiac is somewhat handicapped compared to Ultron. He has taken on Superman who's definitely one of fiction's strongest characters (alongside Saitama? Yes. Alongside Eternity, Azathoth, and others? NO) and even whacked around gods, but in the end Ultron has trumped his physicality by proving himself from time-to-time that he's a real team buster. Beating the entire Justice League is one thing, but Ultron has taken on a whole host of powerful Avengers all by himself as well as other heroes. His adamantium shell is going to be the worst handicap Brainiac's gonna face. His Ultron Virus and energy weapons will overwhelm Brainiac with the Coluan's lack of ranged attacks compared to Ultron. His ship is definitely the worst threat to Ultron, if he can use it in the ship's interior.

Telepathically, Brainiac trumps Ultron. However, with that willpower feat of his and mechanical dominance via Ultron Virus and technoforming, it's going to be hard to mind-rape Ultron considering he really has nothing to regret or what (Uncanny Avengers, Doctor Voodoo sent him to a realm of regret and sorrows, showing him all his victims; Ultron simply ignored them with no feelings), as well as true emotion.

Then we have intellect down the road, which I haven't mentioned. Brainiac's 12th Level Intellect is definitely a WOW factor, but Brainiac has proven his "infallible" intelligence to be flawed. For a record, he was once outsmarted by Lex Luthor. Yes, your feat section said the other way around but Luthor, who's an equal intellectual to the likes of Tony Stark, Reed Richards, and Hank Pym, managed to actually hack into his ass and outsmart him. Ultron also has intellect equal to those smart men, so the chances of him outsmarting Brainiac is quite high. Still, he has to contend with that 12th Level Intellect of him and the fact that he outsmarted two of his ancestors who has similar intellectual levels, as well. Still, my vote goes to Ultron. Sorry if this vote's complicated and bizarre, but I can't help but unleash my inner comic book side.