User blog:Wassboss/The Origins of an Odyssey: Bayek vs Alexios

In 2017, Ubisoft decided to rework the Assassin’s Creed Franchise, putting a greater focus on RPG elements and a more open world experience. In today’s battle we’re pitting the two protagonists of the two rebooted titles together to see who the superior assassin is. Both of these men are warriors in a time before the Assassin’s Order was founded, thrusted into their role for the sake of their families. Travelling all across their homelands and combating powerful but hidden foes secretly controlling things behind the scenes both these two have proved themselves time and again in both the field of battle and in the art of assassination. But when the pair meet in the ruins of an Egyptian temple, only one of them will be walking away to continue their search for truth.

Bayek of Siwa: The last Medjay, out to avenge the death of his son by the Order of the Ancients

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Alexios: The Eagle Bearing Misthios, travelling across the Greek World to discover the secrets of his family.

Who is Deadliest

Bayek of Siwa


"I am a Medjay. I am a feather in the eagle's wing, a living dagger plunged from the sky into the heart of chaos. I am a truth unknown...a scabbard unfilled...a son of the Nile...and a defender of the people. You can not kill me, for I walk among the dead. Come forth by day, and I will guide you home."

- Bayek

Bayek of Siwa is the main protagonist of Assassin's Creed: Origins. Bayek is the last of the Medjay, an elite Egyptian military unit, who originally acted as a protector of the Pharaoh but it later grew to encompass protecting anyone who needed help. He married an Alexandrian woman named Aya and together they had a son, Khemu. In 49 BC he and his son were captured and brought to the temple of Amun by the Order of the Ancients, a precursor to the Templars, who hoped that he would know the secret to opening the vault. While distracted by the arrival of the Pharaoh, Khemu freed Bayek who attempted to take down the men but in an attempt to stab one of the members the knife was deflected and tragically stabbed his son through the chest. Khemu's death drove Bayek to swear vengeance on the Order of the Ancients, with special animosity reserved for the man who deflected the knife that killed his son. As the men were all masked and went by code names it took Bayek over a year of searching before he managed to track down one of the members, Rudjek, who he assassinated at the Bent Pyramid of Sneferu. This, however, was only the beginning of his quest for revenge, a quest which would take him all across Egypt, helping and protecting those who needed it along the way.

Hidden Blade
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Given to him by Aya in Alexandria, the Hidden Blade is Bayek's weapon of choice when it comes to assassination. 30cm long and with a single edged straight blade it was primarily used for stabbing and is activated by a spring action mechanism. Sanaa Khopesh
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Passed down to Bayek by his father, the blade is uniquely engraved on either side of the crescent blade with it's hilt being painted scarlet. About 20-24 inches long, it's hooked tip allows it to disarm shields and weapons. Mace
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An Egyptian mace is simple in design. A wooden pole, with leather wrapping for ease of grip, topped with a smooth metal ball. Bayek's Bow
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Bayek's ranged weapon of choice is his bow. A simple wooden bow with iron tipped arrows, Bayek is a skilled archer, able to stealthily hit a target from far away or quickly fire arrows one after the other. Medjay Shield
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Bayek's own personal shield is made of metal and emblazoned with a golden eagle sprouting multicoloured plumage. While it only reaches from hand to elbow in length it's small size means it can be easily manoeuvred around to block from all angles as well as being used as an offensive weapon.

Alexios
"There is knowledge in this place. Powerful knowledge.In the wrong hands, its secrets could bring about the downfall of humanity.We cannot allow others to discover this place. We must find a way to seal it from the world forever. We all have a purpose, Alexios. Yours was to help me protect the secrets of Atlantis."

- Pythagoras to Alexios Alexios is one of the possible protagonists of Assassin's Creed Odyssey. Born to Myrrine and Nikolaos of Sparta, he was descended from Leonidas I on his mother's side and as such was expected to be a great warrior from a young age. When Alexios was five his younger sister Kassandra was prophesied by the Chorale of Delphi to bring about the downfall of Sparta and as such was sentenced to be sacrificed at Mount Taygetos. However as the priest was about to perform the drop Alexios attempted to stop the sacrifice and in doing so pushed them both to their deaths. Condemned as a traitor, Nikolaos reluctantly threw Alexios from the mountain as well but he survived the fall, fleeing into the ocean on a boat. He washed up on the island of Kephallonia and was adopted by a merchant named Marcus, growing up doing errands for him and starting a career as a Misthios. As an adult he encountered a man named Elpenor who tasked him with assassinating the Wolf of Sparta, his own father. After defeating him in combat and learning he was not in fact his father, he returned to Elpenor only to be betrayed by him. Discovering Elpenor was part of the Cult of Kosmos, a group of people trying to control the Greek world he made it his mission to root out the members and destroy the cult's influence as well as trying to find out his true parentage.

Spear of Leonidas
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Given to him by his mother when he was only a child, the Spear of Leonidas is the broken spear head of the spear used by Leonidas during the battle of Thermopylae. About a foot long and imbued with Isu technology it is far more durable than any standard spear, able to block powerful blows from heavy weapons. It can be used to stab or slash and is often dual wielded by Alexios alongside another weapon.

*For the purpose of this battle the Spear has not been upgraded in any way nor have any of it's supernatural abilities been unlocked, aside from the default increased strength and durability of the user.* Nikolaos' Sword
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Taken from his adopted father after defeating him in combat, Alexios carries his sword as his weapon of choice. It appears to be based on the Kopis and so would have been about 25 inches long and would have served primarily as a one handed slashing weapon.

Dory Spear
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The main weapon of a Spartan, Alexios would've been well versed in using a Dory Spear. Between 7 and 9 feet long it comes with an iron leaf shaped spear head and a bronze butt spike. As a phalanx weapon it would have primarily served as a thrusting weapon although it could also be used for slashing as well.

Hunting Bow
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While made for hunting wildlife, Alexios would also use this bow in combat as well. It was a wooden bow with iron tipped arrows.

Spartan Armour
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For this battle Alexios will be wearing Spartan armour. It consists of a bronze curiass, bronze gauntlets, bronze leg greaves and capped off with a bronze Corinthian helmet.

X Factors
Training: Bayek=90/Alexios=75

Both these men were trained from a young age to be warriors with Bayek being trained by his father to be a Medjay and Alexios being taught by Nikolaos to be a Spartan warrior. However Alexios' training only lasted until he was about 7 and after that he spent his time working for Markos whereas Bayek was trained continuously from childhood to adulthood. Alexios picked up his training again at some point to become a Misthios but we don't know how long this was and the standard of training would likely not have been as high as that Bayek received from his Medjay father.

Experience: Bayek=90/Alexios=95

Bayek is very experienced when it comes to combat having spent many years as a Medjay prior to founding the Hidden Ones, protecting people and fighting against the Order of Ancients as well as your standard bandits and soldiers. Bayek has even fought against people wielding Isu technology like Flavius, taken on War Elephants singlehandedly and fought against the spirits of dead pharaohs all of whom had a variety of supernatural abilities and physicality.

Alexios also has a lot of combat experience, having fought all across the Greek world as a Misthios which ranged from fighting against unskilled bandits, to trained Athenian and Spartan soldiers, other powerful mercenaries looking for the bounty on his head, the warriors and guards of the Cult of Kosmos and dozens of supernatural creatures such as Cyclops and Minotaur. What gives Alexios a narrow advantage is that he has faced superhuman or supernatural opponents on a much more regular basis and in general finds himself in combat a lot more, often fighting in large scale battles for either the Spartans on the Athenians.

Stealth: Bayek=80/Alexios=70

Bayek and Alexios are both warriors first and assassins second, so they aren't as inclined towards or reliant on stealth as other Assassin's Creed protagonists are. With that being said Bayek and becomes more and more stealth conscious as he continues on his journey, eventually founding the Hidden One's whose whole point is striking from the shadows and staying out of public knowledge. Alexios meanwhile never really evolves from a warrior to an assassin and while he can and does make use of stealth it's nearly always secondary to just going into a fight head on.

Physicality: Bayek=80/Alexios=90

Bayek is at the peak of human physicality due to his training as a Medjay, able to scale large structures and mountains and fight through large numbers of enemies without tiring. Alexios is similarly physically capable but with the added bonus of being granted superhuman strength and durability from the Spear of Leonidas. This allows him to overpower opponents much physically larger and more muscular than himself and take powerful blows from creatures such as Cyclops but he still can be hurt and killed by normal weaponry. These physical advantages are also tied to the Spear so if he should lose it he would not longer have this superhuman physicality although the chances of this are slim.

Voting System/Notes
Battle takes place after the events of Curse of the Pharaohs for Bayek and after a Fresh Start for Alexios.

Both Bayek and Alexios will have their eagle companions Senu and Ikaros to aid them in battle. They can scout the area, mark out targets and act as a distraction by attacking an opponent. Since both operate in the exact same way I didn't think it'd be worth putting them into an equipment category but have noted it here for users benefit.

As mentioned in the Iconic section for Alexios he does not have any of the supernatural powers that can be brought using skill points as these are picked by the player and are not required to complete the story in anyway. He does however have the superhuman durability and strength because that is a default from the get go, not something that is given to him via upgrades.

The version of Alexios I'm using is from the timeline where he acts as the Eagle Bearer rather than as Deimos. Any votes which use the Deimos version's feats, abilities or personality as basis for their vote will have it discounted.

In order to be counted in full, votes must be at least 5 lines long or have been done in an edge format.

Anything less than 5 lines but which is competently argued and thought out will be counted as a half vote. I will inform anybody if their vote is considered a half vote and allow them to amend it to bring it up to a full point.

Irrelevant votes will not be counted at all.

I reserve the right to award a vote as half or discount it entirely for reason not mentioned here if I feel it is applicable.