User blog comment:Leolab/User Siege Tourney, Round 27 of 63: Leolab (Lloyd) v Swg66 (Cadwalader)/@comment-5078776-20130831012708/@comment-4661256-20130831223214

El Alamein's "Rebuttaly Rebuttal of Rebuttleness"

"...he [Lloyd] is still ultimately a merc. Soldiers don't always trust a merc, so the chance of his men giving him up is better than none." Lloyd has the third-highest loyalty rating in the tourney, and he's been undefeated (or else nearly undefeated, if any instance of his defeat has escaped my mind) up until this point. His soldiers know that he's a battle-competent general and a strong tactician. And remember - 80s and 90s represent super high, nearly unattainable numbers. So Cadwalader's men are fanatically loyal - kind of like the WWII Japanese, while Lloyd's men are more headstrong like the WWII Americans. And as we all know, fanatacism can be fatal, because giving your life for the cause is a noble ideal, but a smarter foe (like Lloyd) knows that you don't win a war by dying for your country - you win by making the other bastard die for his.

I mean, you're basing the whole chance of Cadwalader's victory on things that are "possible, but unlikely." If all the odds point in Lloyd's favor, giving him the "likely" win, how on earth is he losing points in that area? As you yourself said, "Cadawalader doesn't have the versatility in his siege arnaments to completely defeat Lloyd's men." There's no way Cadwalader is going to kick Lloyd's army away.

You also said, "Lloyd's mobility options with his cannons along with the trebuchet and battering ram to push through Cadawalader's defenses." While that sentence really wasn't well structured, I'm pretty sure you meant that Lloyd's mobile siege works will be enough to break through Cadwalader's defenses. Did you not take that into account in your final vote?

Finally, organization. Lloyd's men are organized to the point that even if Lloyd Kumar dies (unlikely), his army can remain cohesive enough to operate and force a tie by defeating Cadwalader regardless. Cadwalader's men are not very well organized, or (to be honest) very well equipped. For all his ancient-world knowledge, Swg66 seems to have missed the mark here and supplied his men with whatever seemed good at the moment.