User blog:Tomahawk23/Nick Fury (comics) Vs. Nemesis

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Here we see a battle between two completely different types of opponents. One is a man who has been in the military for almost 70 years. A man who has gone from doing standard infantry work against the Nazis, to surgical strikes against the Nazis, to spy work in Vietnam, to commanding a anti-super-human government agency, to being a government fugitive. The other, a rich psychopath who somehow got incredible skills and a tactical genious; who was able to kill 97 security guards in hand-to-hand combat, gas and kill almost the entire Pentagon, and succesfully hijacked Air Force 1! Nick Fury, or Nemesis! The incredible military commander or the mysterious terrorist with no name!

WHO IS DEADLIEST!!?!!?!?!?!

Nick Fury
"Long before I stepped off a C-130 at Da Nang, Fury and his team had already set fire to half of Asia."

- Frank Castle, AKA The Punisher, on Nick Fury. Nick Fury is a former leader of a WW2 special forces group called "The Howling Commandos", a former C.I.A agent, and current head of S.H.I.E.L.D. Fury enlisted in the U.S Army in 1941, after the bombing of Peral Harbor Fury signed up for the US Army Rangers where he was recruited to lead the First Attack Squad AKA the Howling Commandos. A specially-trained ban of soldiers who took part in some of the most dangerous missions in the war. Fury led them against the likes of the Red Skull and Heinrich Zemo and other Axis villains. He and his Howling Commandos struck several critical blows to the Nazis and their allies during the war. he struck pathes with Baron Wolfgang Von Strucker. Strucker's humilating defeats at the hands of Fury would put him on a life-long vendetta against Fury. After the war Fury and his Howling Commandos participated in a number of "mop-up" missions. In 1954 Fury was recruited to the C.I.A and was trained as a C.I.A agent. Fury saw action in the Korean War and even saw some of his former comrades in the Howling Commandos. In the 1960's Fury was contacted by the Board of Directors of the newly formed organization S.H.I.E.L.D which at the time was called the "Supreme Headquarters International Espionage Law-enforcement Division" and was offered directorship by Tony Stark. During the cold war, S.H.I.E.L.D saw much action against HYDRA. During this time Fury would face off against his old Nemisis, Strucker. S.H.I.E.L.D was later renamed the "Stategic Hazard Intervention Espionage Logistics Directorate". Since then Fury saw heavy action during the Civil War, Secret Invasion, and Norman Osborn's rise to power.

Nemesis
"I'm rich, and I'm bored."

- Nemesis when asked why he committed this by the DC Chief of Police. In the comic book series "Nemesis", the super-villain Nemesis blows up a building in Tokyo, killing a SWAT team, and later kills a police inspector. In Washington, D.C., the FBI informs metro police Chief Inspector Blake Morrow that Nemesis is targeting him next. Nemesis soon hijacks Air Force One over the District of Columbia, taking the United States president hostage and crashing the plane, killing hundreds. Nemesis tells the story of Matt Anderson, whose father had committed suicide after Officer Blake Morrow tried to imprison the father for hunting runaway teenagers with his rich friends. Anderson travelled the world to learn the ways of crime, hoping to fulfil his mother's dying wish to have Morrow killed. Nemesis kills twenty-thousand people at the Pentagon using poison gas, allowing Morrow and his aide de camp Stuart to survive in order to taunt Morrow about the inspector's projected March 12 death. Local police eventually capture Nemesis, who claims he allowed himself to be caught. Nemesis breaks out of prison, killing scores of guards and freeing the inmates, and then blowing it up. He kidnaps Morrow's children, forcing Morrow to reveal family secrets: his wife had an affair; his son is gay; and his daughter had a secret abortion. Nemesis releases the children but Morrow's daughter has been impregnated by his son, with her womb rigged to collapse if an abortion is attempted, preventing her from ever again having children. An enraged Morrow eventually believes he has discovered Nemesis' hideout, and arrives there with a police team only to find it is a trap. The house explodes, knocking Morrow unconscious. When Morrow awakens, a taunting Nemesis reveals that Stuart has been working for Nemesis for the past eight years. Nemesis kills Stuart, and tells Morrow that his "Matthew Anderson" story was made up: He is simply rich and bored, creating death and havoc for his own amusement. Nemesis then reveals they are in the White House's Oval Office, where Morrow's wife Peggy and the U.S. president have bombs strapped to their chests. The staff and Secret Service agents have all been killed, and Nemesis gives Morrow a detonator and tells him he has thirty seconds to kill either the president or his wife. With four seconds left, the president steps-up to Nemesis and tells Morrow to detonate his bomb. Nemesis survives the blast, and in a final confrontation, he and Morrow each shoot each other. Morrow kills Nemesis with a head shot, and himself is taken to emergency surgery. He flatlines during surgery but survives, and as the series concludes is on a beach vacation with his family, including his newborn triplet granddaughters. There he is given a letter, ostensibly given to the waiter ten years earlier, congratulating Morrow and claiming to be from the head of a company that arranges for rich people to become supervillains.

X-factors
Fury/Nemesis

Training/95/80

Fury was a WW2 era US Army soldier, a WW2 era Army Ranger, a Howling Commando, a Vietnam era C.I.A Agent, and pretty much created the S.H.I.E.L.D training program and has most obviously evolved it as time went on. Nemesis was just some douche bag who somehow became an expert tactician, and a ridiculously skilled hand-to-hand fighter. Soooooooo.....

Tactics and Intelligence/92/85

Nemesis pulled off some crazy f**cking planned out and executed shit. Fury is also a great tactician and pulled off some fantastic shit all throughout his career. His tactics played a crucial role in S.H.I.E.L.D's victory over HYDRA. I'm gonna sum this up with two things, Fury could've pulled off what Nemesis did just as perfectly as he did (other then the 97 security guards in hand-to-hand combat but he would've just taken out his laser gun, maybe a couplea MAC-10s and gone full auto). That, and the fact that Fury has been around a lot longer and learned a lot more lessons from many battles. We don't exactly know how much experience Nemesis has, we just know what he pulled off and can speculate that he has more experience then just that.

Ruthless/Brutality/84/97

Nemesis is a f**cking ruthless psychopath who sadistically killed 97 security guards, forced a gay guy to get his sister pregnant, and rigged her whomb to collapse if an abortion is attempted, and killed 20,000 people at the Pentagon with chemichal weapons, all in cold blood, with no purpose other then for his own entertainment. Fury can be pretty brutal against his opponents, but no where on that level, even when dealing with opponents like HYDRA.

Organization/90/90

Nemesis pulled off his plan perfectly. Everything went perfectly according to plan, it was perfectly organized and carried out. Fury is also really organized, it takes a lot of organization to run a government agency. However, I don't think Fury's ever been seeing as organized as Nemesis was, although I think he could be if he had to.

Hand-to-Hand Combat/85/99

Fury was taught whatever form of hand-to-hand combat the U.S Army used during WW2. He is also a U.S Army heavyweight boxer. He also holds a black belt in Tae Kwan Do, and a brown belt in Jujitsu. He has also trained with Captain America, possibly the finest hand-to-hand combatant. Nemesis, it is not known what styles he uses. What is known is that he killed 97 security guards who were all in full riot gear through use of his bare hands and their batons. Frankly, I highly doubt Fury could ever do that. It's pretty ridiculous what Nemesis did, but the fact remains....He did it. It's pretty unlikely though that hand-to-hand combat will be much a factor considering they're both running in guns blazing. Then again, they just have two guns each and those are close range.....And they both have extremely high rates of fire. Fury probably won't run out since he has that 300 round needle pistol. The point is hand-to-hand will be more a factor then it is in most gun fights.....But still not mucha factor.

Experience/100/40

Fury's been in the military for almost 70 years and is now a government fugitive on the run. He's easily one of the most experienced mortals in the marvel universe. Nemesis just got these skills and did what he did. I mean, we don't know if he actually has experience. Personally I theorize that he has some experience somewhere.....I highly doubt that anybody could've pulled that whole thing off without at least some experience. Then again....I highly doubt any normal human could've killed 97 security guards in hand-to-hand combat. Eh, I speculate he has some experience anyway. Still no where near as much as Fury, and probably no opponents anywhere near the kind Fury's faced.

Physicality/80/95

Nemesis is at the peak of human physical condition and has even killed people by kneeing them in the face. Fury is a guy who took the infinity formula, so he's in his 50's. He's managed to stay very physically fit, but not on Nemesis's level.

Agility/70/85

Fury isn't an extremely agile fighter. Fury's not the kinda guy who's gonna be doing all kinds of jumping, and flipping and that type of stuff. His hand-to-hand styles cater to a less agile style too. Jujitsu is grappling, which heavily involves takedowns, throwing the enemy, locking some joints.....I'm pretty sure Tae Kwan Do is mostly striking. Get in there really quickly and strike at his weak points. Boxing caters to that too. Circling the opponent and going in there with those punches. Not sure what the hand-to-hand style used in WW2 by the US Army was but I don't think it required a huge amount of agility. Nemesis on the other hand has been seen doing quite a lot of agile shit.

Argument for Fury: (By SWG)
In this fight Nick Fury should be a able to take Nemesis without and Extreme amount of difficulty. From what I've read about Nemesis, he is a highly dangerous, cunning and disturbed individual. However for all his cunning and dangerous Traits, Fury would be more than capable of taking him.

Fury for one is an extremly experianced combatant, having foguth sense the 1940s. This level of combat experiance not only prepairs him in an actual phyical cambat sense, but also in a mental sense. He's beeing doing this for so long much isn't going to mess with his mental state. As a result even a lunatic like Nemesis won't affect his tatical thinking. Addtionally not only is this an extremly long peroid to be fighting, but it's also been full of crisis and battles that a far more extrodinary than normal wars. Fury has experiance in battles with being far more powerful than Nemesis, literal gods and demons, and while Fury himself can't battle them, this will give him a certain level of confindance against a compritily noraml opponent like Nemesis.

Then there is the fact that despite his age and Experiance, Fury still has the the physial abilitys of a man much younger than himself thanks to his slowed aging. This gives him the experiance of countless wars and battles, but also the physical ablity to to put that knowledge to good use in a fight, while not in his prime, being appromitly middle aged in terms of biological age, his experaince and skills more than off set these minor setsbacks.

Then there is Furys training. He is and extremly well trained soldiers. In terms of military training, he's been trained paratrooper, ranger, demolitions and, Specail Forces Training. He also has a large amount of of hand to hand combat including being a heavyweight boxer in the Army, and holds a black belt in Tae Kwan Do and a brown belt in Jiu Jitsu. He was also trained by Captain America, who is possible one of the best hand to hand combatants in the world.

Now Fury does has some short coming, one being his missing eye. Now while this will give Nemesis could exploite this, Fury has been dealing with this for decades, and as a result will now haw to compenstate for this short coming. The other is the afformentioned age, while having the biological age of someone much younger, he's still not in his physical prime. However as mentioned, his high level of experiance will counter this, and addtionally he engages in reqular physical activity to keep himself in shape, so this short coming is minimal at best.

In the end Nemesis is a fangerous man, and not to be taken lightly. But Fury has seen it all and know how to handle virtully any situation, and while Nemesis is cunning and dangerous, Fury is more than equiped to handle him.

Argument for Nemesis: (By GSFB)
Physicality:

Nick Fury, though being more than over the Hill (70 years alone in the military and SHIELD), has the body of a 50 year old (due to some serum I believe) and an impressive musculature, on par with some bodybuilders. However, Nemesis is at the peak of physical perfection, far stronger and faster than any olympic athelete. Also, Nemesis is far, far younger than Fury, somwhere in his 20s or 30s, while Fury, though older than he looks, still has the age limitations of a 50 year old. In a hand to hand encounter, Fury will be slower, and bring to the fight less power.

Edge: nemesis

Hand to hand combat skills

Nick Fury has been a combatant for 70 years, and throurougly trained in hand to hand combat techniques of the American military and the SHIELD agency. He is agruably one of the best martial arts experts in the Marvel Universe. However, Nemesis is a wrecking machine: he brutally killed 97 riot geared prison guards with ease (using both his hands and feet as well as the guard's own batons against them). Being an evil version of Batman, he will no doubt have the same or similar knowledge in martial arts, and Batman knows 100 of them. Nemesis shows this type of hand to hand combat skills, and unlike Batman, does not hold anything back.

Edge: Nemesis

Intelligence/strategy:

Nemesis has proven capable of sneaking in and setting off chemical weapons in such places as the Pentagon and the White House, and even brought down Air Force One: Nick Fury's SHIELD will be no different. Unlike Fury, Nemesis plans his attacks years before: he will have researched well SHIELD, Fury, and how to defeat both. He will use mind games (he pretended to be a boy whose parents suffered at the hands of the (Now) DC Chief of Police (Mother arrested, father commited suicide to avoid being arrested).

Fury is more of the conventional military mindset when it comes to strategy, a "guns a'blazin" approach, which is fine to a point, but not on par with the blood-thirsy Blue-Blood. And though Nick Fury can and has done black ops missions, Nemesis will always be one step ahead of him, as he did so to almost all his prey.

Edge: Nemesis

Brutality:

Nick Fury has fought in numerous battles and conflicts (including WW2). As such, Fury has seen the horrors of war and had delivered horrors of his own. He will not think twice to kill an enemy combatant or cause mass mayhem in order to achieve victory, as any good soldier would. However, Nemesis is more inclined to kill, and in fact enjoys it, much like Sabertooth in marvel comics. He sees life as cheap, the middle and lower classes as "Peasants" whose loss triggers in him not even a shrug. While Fury kills in war, Nemesis kills in pleasure seeking, and relishes in the brutality of conflict. Fury does so out of military discipline and duty: nemesis out of the goal of having a good time, to overcome the burden of being "Rich and bored". Need I say more?

Edge: Nemesis

Knives:

The K-Bar knife is a well designed combat knife, used in some special forces units in the world. But compared to the laser knife of Nemesis, they are a joke. K-Bars can cut through flesh, but Nemesis' Lazer knife cut right through metal bars! No knife is going to withstand the cutting power of the Lazer knife. If this fight becomes a knife fight Nemesis will use his superior speed and energy blade to overtake Fury faster than you can say "Love smell of napalm in the morning!". A lot faster.

Edge: Nemesis

Success:

Sure, Nick Fury has defeated countless Hydra guys and gals and numerous supervillians, but has he ever won a battle where he took the commander in chief of the US as a hostage, besting the best, most high tech security in the world? Did he make the FBI, CIA, NSA, Secret Service, Homeland Security and the Pentagon look like second rate mall cops, all at once? Nemesis pulled this off with a far, far smaller amount of money than what Nick Fury gets for SHIELD, that's a given. The man braved living inside North Korea and carrying out devistating attacks there, inspite of the Brutal Big Brother omnipresence and equally evil government of the late Kim Jong il (Spelled right?). Fury never did that.

Edge: Nemesis

Long range weapons:

Nick Fury is armed with one one machine pistol, the Ingram Mac-10. Nemesis, on the other hand, has 2 mini uzis. 2! As the old song says "2 heads are better than one: double the pleasure, double the fun!". A person with one gun going up against one with two is at a major disadvantage. The only other gun Fury has is a needle gun, which, unlike the Uzis, is a mid range weapon and not an optional long range attack weapon alongside the Mac-10. By the time that Mr. Fury is out of bullets for his Ingram Mac-10, Nemesis will be smiling with a few rounds left in his second mini uzi.

Edge: Nemesis

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