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Venom (Eddie Brock) Vs Amon (Noatak)


Two powerful warriors enter battle against one another. One, a massive alien symbiote who is able to survive high powered lasers with ease. The other, a genius tactician with the power to take away people's bending. Both experienced and powerful fighters will collide but only when can be The Deadliest Warrior!

Venom, the symbiote and the greatest threat to Spiderman who named himself Venom after himself being poison to Spiderman.

Amon, the Bloodbending master tactician who took over Republic City with an army of under 800 people.

Venom
Eddie Brock is the original Symbiote who named himself Venom for he claims he is "poison" to Spiderman. The symbiote grants him super human strenght, speed, durability, stamina, webbing, the ability to camouflage himself, limited, shapshifting, and spider-senses. His most notable one is his durability. He is able to survive stabbings, gunshots, rockets, missiles, and even high impact lasers. He is only weak to sonic and termal weapons, as well as incendiary weapons. His camouflage abilities allow him to become part of his surroundings making him virtually invisible. His shapeshifting allows him to enlargen parts of his body. Even turning parts them into swords, axes, shields etc. His webs grant him the same abilities as Spiderman's except his are organic

Weapons:

 * Fists: Venom's fists are strong enough to kill someone instantly. However, it is debatable if it would kill Amon considering Mako hit him right in the chest with a powerful strike of lightening which caused wood to fall on him yet he got back up in about 15 seconds. But General Iroh was put into a coma after getting struck by lightening in the chest, and that shot of lightening from Azula was no less powerful then Mako's.
 * Constitutent-Matter Generation: Venom is able to shapeshift his hand into various types of weapons. Such as: Swords, Knives, Axes, Spears, and other things. These things could easily cut through brick, stone, and almost any material that isn't an alloy. This would easily allow Venom to cut Amon to shreds, considering Amon's agility the claws would be the best choice considering they are the quickest.


 * Webbing: Webbing grants Venom all of the abilities it grants Spiderman. Such as clinging to objects, tying people up, sticking people to walls and various other things.
 * Poisonous Bite: Venom is able to extend his head his head extremely quickly and bite someone which would poison and kill them. If he were to do this against Amon however, it would rip Amon's head right off. List of Venom powers and abilities here: List of Venom's powers



WARNING: THIS CONTAINS MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR LEGEND OF KORRA PROCEED WITH CAUTION
Noatak was born into the Northern Water Tribe, his father an ex infomous crime lord. He trained his son Noatak and his brother in bloodbending ever since they were children. Noatak decended from the strongest line of bloodbenders to ever live. Eventually Noatak would run away to Republic City and assume the identity of "Amon". Amon got an army of over 800 people through proaganda. Amon is without a doubt a master of proaganda considering he got a small army solely reliant on propaganda. Amon had proven himself a tactical genius after he took down the Pro-bending arena. After demanding that Pro-bending be shut down, Lin Beifong and her Metalbending Police Force were assigned to guard it. Amon got members into the crowd and hide electrical gloves in her popcorn. They took out their gloves and snuck up on the Metalbending Cops stunning all of them. Through a warballon Amon entered the arena and gave a speach. Later on Amon would overthrow Republic City. He would even defeat an entire fleet of Naval ships through tactics and technology. Amon predicted exactly what would happen when the United Forces came to Republic City, and he had Hiroshi Sato design the perfect tools to deal with it, Amon came up with the plan and destroyed the fleet.

Weapons:

 * Waterbending: Waterbending is a form of "bending" which allows one to control water. It can even be made into a blade, throughout the Avatar universe waterbenders have been shown slicing things in half with water. In one episode of avatar the "drill" Aang and Katara sliced through metal with water in about 50 cuts. If that happened they could cut through a sentient being like butter. Amon being a much stronger waterbender then Aang and Katara were as kids would make this a lot easier. Of course, he would not be able to cut through the symbiote. Although it could cut through a web. Waterbenders can also change the tempeture in water, create massive waves and other things. List of Common Waterbending techniques


 * Bloodbending: Bloodbending is form of waterbending in which someone manipulates the blood in someone's body. Bloodbending is without a doubt the most dangerous form of bending. You can lift someone up with it, change the blood temperature, and even break bones. Bloodbending will not be very effective against Eddie considering that the Symbiote does not have blood, however it would be extremely effective against Carnage considering he has a lot of blood. However, this will allow Amon to lift the host (Eddie Brock) and throw him, this could save Amon if things get to close for comfort but in the end it will not kill or subdue him. Waterbending will be his most effective tool, his best option would be to freeze Venom. Bloodbending


 * Equalist Glove: The Equalist glove is a electric shock glove that works like a powerful taser. Despite Venom being weak to heat, this will not effect him unless he is very weak, and it's overall best for Amon to try to avoid closing the distance.


 * Chi-Blocking: Chi-Blocking is a martial art that focuses on deliverying several light jabs and strikes to weak points of the body which will block someone's Chi. Which will instantly stun them and could kill them. This would be useless against Venom who is invulnerable to punches, kicks and any of that stuff.

X-factors
Vemom/Amon

Strength- 98/64

Amon is in top physical condition and no doubt very physically fit. On the other hand though Venom can lift over 70 tons easily. soo....

Durability-99/88

Venom is one of the most durable fighters in the Marvel Universe. He is able to withstand multiple missiles and high-impact lasers. While Venom is no doubt way more durable then Amon, Amon has been shown very durable himself. He was able to withstand a direct hit from lightening to the chest, whereas General Iroh was put in a coma after getting hit in the chest.

Tactics-60/90

Amon is without a doubt one of the greatest tacticians in the Avatar universe. Amon is a calculating person, his schemes, well planned and executed with great efficency. Outsmarting the United Forces and Metalbending cops on several occasions. His tactical genius can be exploited when he took over the Pro-Bending Arena, when he took over Republic City, when he defeated the United Forces fleet and in other instances. During his attack on Republic City, Amon sabatouged river rescue units, put some kind of gas in the police station cut the phone lines (they were able to send a message to the United Forces in time) and shut down several other things leaving the city defenseless. Amon has been shown to be cool and caclulating and to be able to predict his opponent's next move. Venom may have experience, but he's no genius, no where near on Amon's level not that a great tactician to begin with.

Intelligence-75/91

Venom is by now means stupid. But he's not that smart. Amon on the other hand has been shown to be extremely intelligent as seen in the tactics section.

Killer Instinct-95/82

Venom has shown to have a massive killer instinct. Rarely showing remorse, only showing hatred and a desire to kill Spiderman. He's a raging monster with nothing else on his mind but to destory, rampage, and slaughter. Amon is in no way with a lack of desire to kill. Amon has been shown to be ruthlessly efficient with a desire to kill benders or take prisoners. It's likely that given Amon's past he truly felt bending was the main cause of suffering in the world and only used it to survive.

Agility-98/90

Both are very agile. Amon has been shownt o easily dodge multiple fire shots at him through flips, turns, and jumps. These are natural tendencies of Chi-Blockers. Venom is also very agile, able to do pretty much everything Amon can do and more. His webs will increase his agility and he can make himself smaller to gain even more room.

Speed-81/86 (86 when using webs) 76/89 (89 when in water)

Amon is extremely fast, and can probably run at over 30 mpl. Venom on the other hand is super-human and can run at greater speeds. However, unlike some super-humans Venom can't run at incredible speeds. He can't run that much faster then Amon. Of course when swinging from building to building that's a completely different story. Of course in water, Amon can bend the water to make him go faster. He could probably got at like well over 40 mpl. Venom can't swim anywhere near that fast.

Organization-45/91

Amon has been shown to be an extremely clam and composed individual. He's a strong willed individual in wavered; when Korra escaped her prison and fired large missiles of ice, Amon did not hesitate to chase after her, but he reamined composed when lightly scolded his subordinates for underestimating her, which he had warned against. He carefully and slowly built up his army, not rushing, carefully with use of propaganda and what seemed to be protests in order to recruit members and eventually over take Republic City. On the other hand, Eddie is a rampaging monster who attacks things and doesn't really consider organization and isn't very calm and patient.

Experience-99/84

 Amon was trained since he was a small child and most likely had been preparing for the Equalist movement and making himself a better fighter for years and years. Venom has been doing what he does for years too. Overall this is very close but Venom gets a slight edge for being in more fights. Amon spent a lot of his time training himself and by other people. He was never in any big fights until the Equalist movement (this is not confirmed this is just what most likely happened). Venom has been in combat virtually every week since he became Venom.

Expert Arguments

Amon Argument: (By Arrow):
Undoubtedly this will be a hard match for Amon. But Amon can pull of a win here. venom is a tough, versatile, and hard to kill foe, but nearly anything venom can throw at him Amon can counter it. Water bending is easily the most versatile of the bending arts, and Amon is one of the most powerful. Waterbending focuses on alternating between positive and negative jing, which means it is used for both offense and defense, often simultaneously. Vemon is extraordinarily powerful, but Amon doesn't necessarily need to kill him, he needs only to either KO or more likely incapacitate his foe. Using waterbending Amon can cut Venom's webs rather easily. Amon is also a very durable fighter, even able to withstand a direct blast of lightening, an attack that can hospitalize others. The real challenge comes when dealing with Venom's other abilities, which Waterbending is sufficiently powerful enough to defend against, whether is water or ice whips to fight off the tendrils, walls of water or ice to keep venom at bay, or the simply blasts of water to knock venom around. Amon is no mere waterbender though, he is extremely proficient, able to create large water spouts to keep him aloft and keep distance from Venom. Since the fight is taking place near the ocean, Amon will have no shortage of water. But Simple water bending isn't the only ability that Amon brings to the table. His Bloodbending is a very powerful ability, that while it may not work on the symbiote, will work on it's host. This will allow him to at least levitate and throw venom if he needs a saving grace since the symbiote will prevent normal manipulation. The electrified glove is also a something that will help Amon keep his edge. Will it won;t defeat the symbiote, it could easily be used to stun him and do some damage. In the end, Amon's versatillity with his water bending should allow him to incapacitate Venom. Sure the symbiote can morph and is a great deal stronger, but it does meet the level of variety that Amon's abilities grant him. Finally, Amon is a tactical genius, especially when compared to Brock/Venom. He can outsmart and outmanuver the symbiote. This combined with his abillities will alow him to keep the distance will attacking venom from afar or overwhelm him wit a shear display of force.

Venom Argument: (By Dray):
This should be an easy victory for Venom. Eddie Brock may not be as smart as Amon, but he can outperform the Equalist in literally every other way. Physically, Venom is stronger, faster, more agile and more durable, so he can take any kind of physical punishment that Amon could think up and throw it right back in his face harder. His symbiote will allow him to attack Amon with deadly thrusts and jabs from any range, and unlike his foe, he doesn’t need water to pull it off. Amon’s skill lies in strategy and planning on the scale of whole armies, but while he could bring a city to his knees, that doesn’t make him a powerful fighter- he’s simply not able to compete with a real fighter. His bloodbending won’t affect the Symbiote at all. If he uses bloodbending on Brock, the symbiote itself will still have access to its tendril attacks and could still easily attack without its host’s movement. The only attack that Amon could use to really do anything to Venom would be his waterbending, and even that won’t be able to do much damage- the Symbiote doesn’t exactly wash off and they aren’t incredibly damaging, especially when the tendrils can match the range, and Amon isn’t going to want to use his waterbending because he’s still trying to keep the illusion of being an equalist. At the end of the day, Venom is stronger, faster, more durable and can do more damage, while Amon’s attacks simply won’t have an effect on Venom.

Alfa Group Vs GSG-9


In a battle between what is possibly the two greatest federal counter-terrorist units in the world. One a Russian counter-terroism unit tasked with federal counter-terroism, as well as special operations in a time of war!! The other, a top-notch counter-terroism unit who has delt with some of the biggest hostage situations in history. In a battle between modern weapons and small unit tactics only one will be The Deadliest Warrior!

Alfa Group
Alfa Group is part of F.S.B or Federal Security Service which is what replaced the K.G.B but also acts like the F.B.I. Alfa Group was founded in 1974 in the Aftermath of the Munich Olympics. It was hoped that the Soviet Union's capacity to defend against a terrorist attack would increase significantly with the creation of this unit. Originally this special-purposed counter-terroism unit was involved in delicate operations that necissatated its members' unique skill set. Such as the 1983 highjacking of Aeroflot flight 6833 hijacking. Its use would expand into more military oriented and less counter-terroism focused operations in the Soviet-Afgan War. Most notabally their participation in the assassination of the Afgan President. This marked the start of the Soviet Occupation of Afganhistan and the group's extensive involvedment throughout it. When the Soviet Union colapsed Russia became a target for terroism sincd then the group has had extensive counter-terroism efforts, such as various hostages rescues such as the 2004 Baslan School Siege where they rescued over 800 hostages at a school (300 hostages died in fire at the very end), as well as tracking down various terroist figures. During this time the group has also had extensive involvement in various conflicts involving Russia. Such as the Chechen Wars, South Ossetia War, Civil War in Tajikistan, and several others. Alfa Group's main role is currently counter-terroism, though they still continue to be involved in every major conflict involving Russia. They ae capable of parachuting and various other things similar to that. Alfa Group is rigorously trained and can operate behind enemy lines for long periods of time.

GSG-9
During the Munich Massacre the incident culminated when German police unequiped and trained to deal with this situation underestimated the number of terrorists and attempted to free the hostages. This resulted in the deaths of all hostages, five out of eight terroirsts, and one German police man. German law-enforcement found itself severely humiliated due to their historic relationship with Jews and Israelis. As a result, the West German Govornment created a unit that would be able to respond to these types of situations hence the GSG-9. Their first real situations would be in the Luftansa Flight hijacking. In which 30 GSG-9 operators with the help of 2 SAS operators helped free 85 hostages from 4 terrorists. The flight had traveled all over the world and eventually landed to refuel in Mogadishu where the GSG-9 and 2 SAS operators freed them. Only one hostage was killed and that was before this operation took place. After the Iranian embassy siege the GSG-9 would be based off of the SAS's counter-terrorist teams. Since then the GSG-9 has been used in other hostage situations, as well as dealing with kidnappers and some counter-piracy. Like any federal counter-terroirst unit, all members must be ex cops, ex military, or have worked for some agency for the German gov. The GSG-9 has the capabilities to parachute, and operate maritime. GSG-9 members cross train with France's G.I.G.N, Spain's G.E.O, Hong Kong's S.D.U, Malaysia's S.A.U, America's S.W.AT, and H.R.T teams.

X-factors
<p style="text-align:center;">Alfa Group/GSG-9

<p style="text-align:center;">Training/88/82

<p style="text-align:left;">Alfa Group is a federal counter-terrorist unit with military special forces standards and capabilities, they are able to operate behind enemy lines for long periods of time and have gone up against actual military forces. Their wartime capabilities have been shown in the Soviet-Afgan War, and the Chechen Wars. The GSG-9 are hihgly trained but they are not trained to go up against actual military forces. They are trained to deal with terrorists and dangerous criminals.

<p style="text-align:center;">Operational Experience/90/85

<p style="text-align:center;">Both groups were founded arund the same time. However, Alfa Group has had constant involvement in various wars, as well as dealing with various hostage situations especially recently. GSG-9 has delt with many hostage situations and kidnappings. However, where GSG-9 may have 50 missions a year. During wartime Alfa Group will have well over 80.

<p style="text-align:center;">Organization85/93

<p style="text-align:center;"> Alfa Group has millions of troops and cops to select from. Meanwhile GSG-9 only has 200 thousand troops and several hundred thousand cops to select from. Germany also has higher standards of their recruits then Russia. They are a smaller size and more organized. Plus we all know the Germans and the Japanese are the most organized people in the world.

<h2 style="text-align:left;">Arguments

GSG-9 Argument (By Red):
Although Alfa Group bring some effective perks and capability to the table, I think GSG 9 has out done them here. GSG 9 was founded in 1973, giving them an operational history difference of 1 year against Alfa Group, in this time, history saw special operations teams, in perticular western ones, begin to counter a growing number of terrorist high jackings onboard western airlines. GSG 9 stepped up to the rising challenge and put the terrorists back in their place, as shown by operations like Fire Magic and Flight 737. Although not a war time group like Alfa Group, GSG 9 has been on constant alert and has been utilised tremendousley ever since just as Alfa Group has but that 1 year difference put thems in a significant position. Miniscule differences will decide the winner here since both units are very skilled. And a 1 year difference is one. GSG 9 have always maintained co-operation with other elite counter-terroism units like CO19 and GIGN and its evident they learn and teach eachother, such as co-operation between CO-19 and GSG 9 for the 2012 Olympics. The fact that GSG 9 has a rich tradition for making their team lethal by not only learning their lessons but others puts them in the better place than Alfa Group. GSG 9 has gone as far as two co-operate which special forces such as the SAS during the Flight 737 incident. Just another lesson for the unit to learn from elite special forces. Both special forces will feel the grind in order to win and tight close quarter scenarios that counter-terrosim training is gievn the GSG-9 above all else will give them a advanatge at Urban combat while Alfa Group is more flexible and has other priorities. Although Alfa Group has partispated in war time scenarios, GSG 9 are deployed on a heavily regular basis and many years of training through near war time events like the cold war and the terrorist troubles has given these guys the experience they need to tackle their Russian opponents. GSG 9 today bring the modern and up to date kit which has carved a legend for reliability and effectiveness. Overall, I think the training, 1 years of operational experience and weaponary that GSG-9 bring will outdo their russian counter-parts and make GSG 9 the deadliest warrior.

Alfa Group Argument (By EA):
The Alfa Group (better known to you Call of Duty fans as the FSB from MW2's No Russian) are going to triumph over the GSG-9 for the same exact reason that the SWAT Team did: operational experience. Redkite blows the 1-year difference of their existence way out of proportion. If you look at what the Alfa Group has achieved in the time it's been around as compared to the GSG-9 (even with its one-year 'advantage') there's no comparison. The Alfa Group was seriously involved in the occupation of Afghanistan, and notable operations like these are much more dangerous than boarding a plane to shoot at untrained terrorists, and ultimately have a greater impact on global politics. The Alfa Group has also brought its firepower to Chechnya, against a ruthless adversary that is willing to resort to torture and civilian casualties to achieve their goals - and the sick thing about it is that you have to be just as brutal to effectively fight an enemy like that. The Russian military as a whole (Alfa Group included) is going to have strong discipline tied into their training (which the Russians have an advantage in) and that grounding in discipline means they'll be able to hold their position under fire a lot more easily than the aggressive GSG-9 who are used to breaching and "kicking in the damn door". The Alfa Group can hold their ground as well as push forward on the offensive. The Alfa Group has been trained to go up against military forces, and the work they pulled off against the enemy forces speaks for itself. Finally, look at the weapons that the two teams are bringing in; the GSG-9's weapons are specialist weapons that are perfectly suited for hostage-rescuing and breaching missions as well as long-range overwatch. The Alfa Group is bringing in the durable and hard-hitting firepower that the Russian military brings to bear in every conflict. Ultimately, the difference between these two special forces groups is who they fight and how - the GSG-9 fights terrorists with handguns while the Alfa Group charges into warzones against competent foes who can fight back, and they're more flexible to boot. No matter the situation, the Alfa Group has been there and is prepared."

Punisher (Frank Castle) Vs. Bane (Nolanverse)


This is a battle between what is possibly two of the deadliest non super-human comic book characters in comic book history. One a former Recon Marine and Vietnam veteran who over the period of 30 years slaughtered over 2,000 people. The other a tactical genius who was born and raised in the cloest thing to hell on this planet who held an entire city hostage for five months and defeated Batman. In a battle between two extrodinary fighters only one will survive, only one will come out on top, only one can be The Deadliest Warrior.

Punisher (Frank Castle)
"Castle will finish the job. He'll find away out of the Silo and bring the girl out with him. Even if he has to slaughter half of the Russian army to do it."

- Nick Fury on Frank Castle's capabilities and ruthless determination to win. Frank Castle served four years in Vietnam in the Marine Force Recon. A Marine Special Forces unit tasked with scouting the battle ground before the regular Marines attacked. They also engaged in some combat in which Castle saw a lot of. At the time they were developing insurtion and combat tactics of the US Navy SEALs and the Green Berets. During his time in Vietnam Castle crossed trained with Australian SAS, Navy SEALs, and Green Berets. He fought in numerous engagements and was the only survivor (from both sides) of a massive Viet Cong assault on Valley Forge Firebase in 1971. After his years in Vietnam Castle returned home to his family. His family was killed in central park when they witnessed a Italian Mafia hit, the hitman paniced and executed his family. This would change Frank forever. Since that day he has hunted down and exterminated criminals on a international level. Wherever he finds them, he kills them. Solely armed convential weaponry, and a fanatical hatred of criminals Castle has killed dozens of super-humans in upfront combat time and time again. He even incapitated Wolverine once. Castle is an expert in Urban Warfare. For around 36 years, Castle has continuously come up with genius plans to raid buildings, warehouses, assassinate people, ambush people, and all kinds of other things within that. He is also an expert in: Stealth Tactics, Guerilla Warfare, Jungle Warfare, demolitions, and various other things. Castle at this point has been doing this for over 40 years because his timeline has never been altered or moved up by marvel. Meaning he has effecitivily aged over the years. He is now somewhere in his 50's-60's. Unlike most people at that age, Castle's physical condition has never changed over the years. He has always stayed in top physical condition, and continues to massacre dozens of people at once. One of Punisher's most notable pieces of equipment is his chestguard. His chestguard is so strong it has even survived shotgun blasts at close range.

Bane
"peace has cost you your strength. Victory has defeated you."

- Bane on how Batman being retired has effected his combat abilities. Bane was born into a prison in the Middle East. A large pit where men are thrown to suffer. It is believed to be the closest thing to hell on Earth. Bane described the reason that the pit is the closest thing to hell on Earth as did many others. About 30 years before Batman Begins, Ra's Al Ghul was a mercenary working for a local warlord, he fell in love with the warlord's daughter. When the warlord found out he was sentenced to the prison. His daughter convinced him to set Ra's free.. Unfortunately for Ra's he never found out the true price of his freedom. The warlord's daughter was sentenced to the prison where she was raped. She would end up having a baby and later dying. According to the prison doctor the prison was "plagued" at the time. The prisoners wanted to kill the child. But Bane (a prisoner there) saw the child's innocents, he saw it as their redemption. He protected it from the prisoners. Eventually the prisoners would all come after him and the child at once. While Bane was chased he carried the girl to the point where one tries to climb out. Bane fought the prisoners but was overwhelmed and defeated. The child would be the first person to successfully climb out of the prison. Bane however, was not so lucky. The prisoners tortured him horribly disfiguring his face. The doctor did everything he could, but the damage was done. Bane was put into a position to feel ever lasting .extreme pain on his face. The child would soon find Ra's, she convinced Ra's to get Bane out. The league of shadows took them in and trained them. Unfrotunately for Bane Ra's didn't see the man who saved and protected that girl, he saw only a "monster". He was exiled from the League. After Ra's death Talia took over the League of Shadows and brought Bane back in. Bane would later come up with an incredible plan to hold Gotham hostage that would hold virtually any form of military action useless. He even single handedly defeated Batman in hand to hand combat. Bane is one of the greatest tacticians in the DC Universe. He is right up there with Batman, Deathstroke, and other tacticians

X-factors
<p style="text-align:center;">Punisher/Bane

<p style="text-align:center;">Training/93/83

Castle was a Recon Marine in Vietnam, that's already superior training there. On top of it he cross-trained with US Navy SEALs, Green Berets, and the Australian SAS. Bane was born into a prison where he naturally learned to fight. You can see in the scenes showing him in combat he was one of the most skilled prisoners there. When he was brought out he was trained by Ra's Al Ghul for a short period of time. Despite being exiled quickly, Bane was highly trained by him and one of the best fighters in the League. That still does not match anywhere near up to Frank's training.

<p style="text-align:center;">Physicality93/97

Bane has trained himself to physical perfection. He can probably lift over 800 pounds. He is very fast and has a lot of stamina. He is probably the most physically fit character in the Nolanverse. Frank is extremely physically fit but is overall not even near as fit as Bane is. While you could argue that Punisher's age being in his 50's or 60's will effect him against Bane. The truth is it won't at all. Punisher is extremely physically fit, even in your 50's, 60's if you remain very physically fit it won't effect you in a fight. I know people like that.

<p style="text-align:center;">Experience/100/80

Bane was born into suffering, born into violence. But the truth is what Bane saw all his life was just fist fights and stabings between various prisoners. When he was taken into the League of Shadows he fought criminals for a few months before being exiled. Frank on the other hand fought against trained and disiplined opponents in Vietnam for four years. He has fought all types of criminals, super-humans, and even other armies and guerilla groups for the past 39 years. If you're wondering why he fought armies and guerilla groups it's because Nick Fury likes to hire him to do shit for him.

<p style="text-align:center;">Hand-to-Hand Combat/91/97

<p style="text-align:center;">Both fighters here are extrodinary hand-to-hand combatants. Bane is the more skilled combatant here though. Bane is skilled in more martial arts, and was really only seen engaging his opponents in hand-to-hand combat. Bane has been shown to be able to easily take out gunmen at close range and even beat Batman. While Punisher could accomplish the things Bane did hand-to-hand in TDKR, Bane is just the overall better hand-to-hand combatant and can do it better. This won't be a huge factor in the fight though since they will be charging at each other guns blazing they won't really get a chance to use it. Most of the fights will end from gunfire.

<p style="text-align:center;">Intelligence/80/97

Castle isn't stupid under any circumstance. He has proven to be highly intelligent and a skilled tactician. But Bane has proven to be far more intelligent. The occupation of Gotham is something Frank could've never planned out and succeeded at doing with or without the logistics Bane had. Bane is arguably more intelligent then Nolanverse Batman, and almost as intelligent as comics Batman.

<p style="text-align:center;">Creativity/88/84

Both are very creative. Both come up with original and unthought of tactics, ideas, resource to things they find or hear about, taking things they find in their enviornment in the middle of a fight, etc. But Punisher will get a slight edge here, while Bane has been very creative such as using the reactor to create a nuclear bomb, Frank has continuously been seen taking simple weapons mobile or stationary he finds and turning them into weapons. He has also been shown to create his own highly effective tactics that are in away more creative then Bane.

<p style="text-align:center;">Organization/70/100

Frank never really needed to be very organized. He's one guy with a bunch of guns. The only organization he really needed with timing and planning which he has. Bane on the other hand was extremely organized in the occupation of Gotham. He carefully and patiently prepared and organized for the occupation. He never made a single mistake from a lack of organization throughout the occupation.

<p style="text-align:center;">Tactics93/89

Okay before you say "WTF? Bane is a far superior tactician" hear me out. Okay, Bane is a far superior tactician and more intelligent without a doubt. However, Bane's tactics are not based on one on one fights, his tactical mind is good with commanding troops on the battlefield. Not in a one on one or a one on several fight. Frank on the other hand is a tactical genius, he has easily raided hundreds of warehouses and taken out dozens of people. He has gone face to face with many people one on one. See what I'm saying? No? Well think of it, if your opponent is highly skilled in one set of tactics far more then you, you're highly skilled in another set, you're fighting him where his tactics are virtually useless, but yours are, then who has the better tactics? Yes, Bane is highly adaptable and can quickly come up with good one on one tactics that's true. You can always say he can outsmart Frank but before you say that think of the fact that Frank has 39 years experience with these kinds of tactics in which he uses day in and day out. See where I'm coming from?

Punisher Argument: (By EA)
The Punisher. Bane. Two men who breathe in violence like we breathe in fresh air. However, Punisher would win because he's simply been at the game of killing much longer than Bane has, and against a wider variety of foes. From the jungles of Vietnam, guns a-blazin' against the Viet Cong guerrillas, to superhuman mutants, the Punisher has brought his A-Game and emerged triumphant. He's bringing in reliable, time-tested weaponry that fires fast and hits hard: The M60E4 is a radically improved version of the gun the Punisher has had experience with since his days in 'Nam, and since it's upgraded, it won't face jamming issues. The M1911 might have a smaller magazine than most guns but when it comes to stopping power it's second to none. The MP5K's got one of the fastest fire-rates you can spit off from submachine guns, and the classic M4 is another weapon the Punisher will be very familiar with. The M4 can be outfitted very easily with any number of attachments and its robust design gives it select-fire capabilities (semi-auto, full-auto or 3-round burst fire). The Punisher is bringing in the ultimate arsenal and the best part is, he's been using it all for 40 years!

Bane operates through psychological attacks, and he's a master of it - he was nearly able to break Batman mentally. However, the Punisher has seen everything there's been to see - from the hidden horrors of the Vietnam War to the murder of his family in Central Park, he's tough-as-nails physically and mentally. He's got the thousand-yard stare that most war veterans come back with, and Bane simply can't exploit this during their fight. Bane isn't stupid, but he's always ready to drop the gun and charge in close for a bare-knuckle beatdown, and this might be his undoing. He thrives in the power he commands over others and relishes in the fear he inspires in both friend and foe alike. Punisher won't be affected by this (and even if he would be, he'd be able to mask the emotion), and Bane will easily get emotional himself, trying as hard as he can to be the dominant force in the fight.

Ultimately, the Punisher has fought longer than Bane and against a wider variety of tougher foes, he's more familiar with his weapons, and he's got a mental shield against Bane's primary focus in a fight. Bane is strong and likes to take control of the situation, but the Punisher won't let him take the advantage and will simply spray him full of lead before he can close the distance. Bane will try his best to bring the fight up-close but as long as the Punisher can keep his finger on the trigger, Bane will never get close enough to even pull back his fist.

Germanic Ghost Warrior Vs. Hashashin


This is a battle between two highly skilled Midieval warriors who both utilized the method of ambush and stealth but in very different ways. One, a group of Germanic Warriors who ambushed and raided Roman camps, who's shields were so effective even the Romans adopted them. The other a group of highly trained killers who assassinated important political figures (including kings) in broad daylight and successfully alarmed Saladin not to invade the relms of their sect. In a battle between two great stealth fighters trained from birth, only one will survive, only one will taste victory, only one will be The Deadliest Warrior!

Germanic Ghost Warrior
<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:15.600000381469727px;white-space:pre-line;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">Germanic Ghost Warriors were famous for night raids on Roman armies and camps, they got there name as "Ghosts" because there painted bodies and weapons black, so there were virtually invisible. Generally speaking they weren't fighting in open battles but function as gurilla fighters disrupting the enemy movments in an area. There were reportedly extremely capable with throw projectiles like Darts and Even Stones, and Roman even reported the Germanic Warriors could Throw a dart or spear as far as a bow could shot and arrow, although there is a reasonable explanation for this, small strands of leather or rope can be used like a small atlatl, allowing for darts to be thrown farther. <span style="background-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:15.600000381469727px;white-space:pre-line;">Germaic Warriors were, as a general rule excellent spear fighters. Unlike other warriors, such as the Greeks, who generally used spears in formation fighting, The warriors of Germania used spears is single combat. Rather than straight foreword thrusting, the Germans used large swing circular motions, spinning them around there head, while slowly letting the spear slide further down there hand. This gives them the advantage of catching the enemy off guard by allowing the spear to strike further out than than they originally thought. In addition to there spear German warriors carried large oak shields to protect there body. While an effective companion with there spear, it works well with the Germanic short sword, which was basically a slightly larger version of the seax. This sword had a thick back allowing for a sturdier blade, bit also a very fine point, allow for stabs into armor gaps. Because of the blade short length when used the Germanic shield. Their shields were so effective that even the Romans tried to copy their shields. Germanic Warriors were trained at the youngest possible age, similar to Spartans, Samurai, and other warrior cultures. Their clubs were hardened in such away that they could not be cut in half, not at all.

Hashashin
Hashasins were a group of Arabic assassins who played a large role in the Crusades. They are famous for their military tactics. Assassinating important political figures, cut off the head and kill the body. They would often assert themselves in the town or region of their targets, and over time stealthily move themselves into strategic positions. They would assassinate their target in broad daylight generally infront of public crowds for intimidation purposes. They went in with no plans of escape, often giving their lives to kill their target, they even assassinated kings. The writings of Marco Polo depict the Hashasins as trained killers responsible for systematic elimination of opposing figures. Hashashins were fanatically loyal to their leader, carrying out his every order with out the single thought of questioning him or hesitation. They were often born into the order and trained from an extremely young age in the arts of combat, disguises, horseback riding, and code of conduct. They didn't always assassinate their targets, sometimes leaving a threatening note saying to follow their demands or be killed. The Hashashins reputation was so strong that these threats would often be taken seriously. An example of this is Saladin who barely managed to survive two assassination attempts on him from the Hashashins who made an alliance with them in order to avoid more assassination attempts. While the first two attempts did not kill him, they put him into an extreme state of paranioa. During the night in Saladin's conquest of Masyaf he awoke to find a figure leaving his tent and left a threatening note demanding he pulled out of Masyaf or else be killed. While Hashashins did not generally carry out upfront combat, it should be noted they fought upfront, an example of this would be in the conquest of Masyaf. They were highly proficient with swords, daggers, axes, throwing knives, use of shields, and other things.

X-factors
<p style="text-align:center;">Germanic Ghost Warrior/Hashashin

<p style="text-align:center;">Training/90/90

Both warrios here are extremely well trained. Both trained from birth in combat. It could be easily argued that Germanic Ghost Warriors were trained to fight upfront while Hashashins were all about the assassination. But Hashashins did fight in upfront combat sometimes. Such as in the conquest of Masyaf, why would they use shields if they never fought upfront?

<p style="text-align:center;">Tactics/90/10

Tactics used by Hashashins were extremely effective, but in a one on one fight, or a squad on squad fight, what the hell is assassinating political and religious opponents gonna do other then intimidate the enemy? In this fight neither warrior will have knowledge of the other at all. 2,500 of these fights will take place in Masyaf in the day time, one on one. The other 2,500 in the forests of Germaniaa, squad on squad, under the cover of night. In day time one on one the Germanic tactics won't be very effective, at night 5 on 5 the German's tactics will so blow the Hashashins away. Easily ambushing them and quickly disposing of them.

<p style="text-align:center;">Creativity/Resilience/85/90

Hashashins never went into their target's city with weapons. They went into the city and picked up whatever weapon they could find. Often a Dagger in which they would tip with poison. Hashashins picked up on anything they could find, probably included improvised weaponry. German'c generally went into combat with weapons, and I doubt were ever put into a position where they had to improvise. Regardless with the kind of training they had they would be able to improvise if they needed.

<p style="text-align:center;">Organization/90/96

Both groups were clearly highly organized. It took much organization and patience to plan those raids on Roman Camps and those assassinations. Hashashins would wait months, even years before reaching their target. However, while it took organization to pull off the attacks Germanic Warrios made, it took much more organization to plan those assassinations. Islamic Historian Bernard Lewis cites the roll of honor at Alamut containing the names of fifty well-performed assassinations of known political enemies during the thirty-five years reign of Hassan.

<p style="text-align:center;">Ruthless/90/99

Both groups were highly ruthless. Hashashins would give their lives to assassinate their target, they would assassinate them with no plans of escape just to kill the target. They were fanatically loyal to their Grandmaster, carrying out his every order without question or hesitation. Germanic Warriors cut down Roman camps killing everyone inside, but that's nothing like getting to know your target and then killing him infront of many people with no plans of escape knowing you'll day. Nor were they as fanatically loyal to their superiors as the Hashashins were.

Germanic Ghost Warrior Argument: (By SWG)
<span style="background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">While this fight would be a fairly close battle, I ultimatly think the Ghost Warrior would win in the end. This is for a number of reason. First and Formost is his position as a raider as opposed to Assassin. Assassin's no matter how bold there assassination attempts are, as a generaly rule, meant to kill a target with stealth, generally avoiding direct conflict is at all possible. Raiding on the other hand pretty much means you probably going to have to do some direct fighting, and would fight fully armed Roman soldiers, but in the case of the Ghost Warrior his raids were happening at night and using camouflage to hit hard and fast, then move away then strike again, but they are fighting enemies who are ready to fight. He's used to fighting in direct combat, the Hashashin would not be a used to it.

<p style="background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">Then there is the equipment, the Ghost Warrior is generally bringing equipment more suited to battle than assassination. The Long sword is more versatile than the Scimitar, a straight sword is more capable of preforming stabs and thrusts and additionally the straight blade allows for it to parry attacks of other weapons. The Spear vs the Throwing knives. Throwing knives aren't really effective killing tools, like the Shurikan, there light and even less likely to hit blade first than a shurikan. There good distraction tools, but the Spear is more effective, it always lands point first and if a formidable melee weapon. The Club vs the Dagger, is actually a fairly even comparison, the club is bigger and carries a lot of blunt for trauma, but the poison dagger can poison the opponent, and the dagger itself can be quiet a deadly weapon. Finally we come to the shields, the Hashashin's shield is small and is good for deflecting and parrying, but the Germanic shield is bigger and will render the throwing knives virtually useless, counter the slashing motions of the scimitar and is quiet a danger weapon in it's own right with the steel boss. The Hashashin shield smaller size means it's harder for the Hashashin to guard his legs, something the Ghost Warrior won't have to worry about do to the size of the shield.

<p style="background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">So while these two are both formidable warriors, the Ghost warriors direct fighting style and experience and equipment will carry him to victory in a close fight.

Hashashin Argument: (By me because I seriously couldn't find anyone else to do it)
This will be a very close fight but in the end the Hashashin will take it for a variety of reasons. Let's start by comparing weapons.

Hashashin shield Vs Germanic shield. The Germanic shield is larger and can protect more of the body. The Hashashin shield isn't that much smaller....but it's still quite smaller but allows for more mobility. Overall the larger Germanic shield will take the edge for larger size.

Poisoned Khanjar Vs Club. The Poisoned Kanjar will take this. The club is designed in a way so it can't be cut in half. It can only kill if it hits the head, anywhere else is really just a broken bone. It can be easily blocked, and easily disarmed. The Khanjar is much more versital. It's designed in a way where it can give a very good stab or slash. It can easily block and counter the club. The Khanjar can also be thrown or used in a way where it's not for killing but for some other purpose.

Scimitar Vs Germanic Sword. Scimitar takes this easily. Now, it should be noted that the longer blade won't be much a thing. You see, the back of the blade of a Scimitar isn't sharp. Scimitar wielders would hold the blade to them putting their arms on the blade and get close for the kill. They would push in using it as a defense and then out of nowhere with the advantage of the curved blade strike at the opponent in a place where they weren't expecting it. It can giv great slashes and still a good thrust. Its curved blade can go under the Germanic's shield while the Hashashin blocks the Germanic's other weapon with his shield. It can easily cut the Germanic's spear right in half. Another thing, Germanic's aren't use to dealing with opponents with curved blades. No as a matter of fact, the Germanic's fought the Romans who used basically the swords the Germanic's used. Short, double edged, straight swords, good for stabbing, decent slashes, good for parrying, often used in combination with a shield etc. The Germanic Warrior will really be unfarmiliar with dealing with a curved blade like that. They'll be like "WTF how the hell do I defend against this thing". The Hashashins have actually dealt with straight swords quite a bit. Not the kind of straight swords the Germanic's used but the kind the Crusaders used. While there were quite some differences, it's not to hard to figure out how to defend against the Germanic's sword when you deal with Crusader swords.

Throwing Knives Vs Spear. Throwing Knives won't be very useful when the Germanic Warrior has his shield; he can easil block them. But the Germanic Warrior won't use his spear and shield at once. Germanic's didn't use the standard style of spear and shield. They generally wieled it with two hands, twirling it in the air and then all of the sudden striking. They used it in a slashing style more so then stabbing.The unique style of twirling it will confuse the Hashashin. Although he will probably just cut it in half with his Scimitar at a range. The Germanic Warrior will actually be at a disadvantage with his spear though. The Hashashin can take advantage of this by throwing his knives at the Germanic Warrior. Without his shield he's basically defenseless against them. Basically, the spear can be cut in half by the Scimitar; or the Hashashin can just throw his throwing knives and get him. So pitted against the spear throwing knives win. Although when not using the spear the throwing knives shall be useless. When using the spear they'll be highly effective. Throwing Knives beat the Spear for this factor. Also the fact that the Spear won't be very effective in combat against the Scimitar either.

I want to say that Hashashins did engage in upfront combat or else they wouldn't use a shield. On top of that, Germanic's didn't necessarily often go straight head to head. They always had the opponent dead before they even knew they were there. P<span style="background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">ut yourself in the shoes of a Roman. It's Sunday night, you aren't expecting an attack you're tired you can't wait for your shift to end. Then all of the sudden a bunch of ass holes in black come out of the bushes and start tearing up your guys. You're all like "WTF" you're looking around trying to see them but you can't see them, all you can see is your friends getting cut down. Now you're dealing with panic and sadness and anger of the loss of your friend and maybe commanding officer. Then next thing you know you've been stabbed in the neck. What I'm getting at is that most of the time the Germanic's opponents were dead before they even saw them. I mean, 2,500 of these fights will be at night, in the forests of Germania, squad on squad, so..........But the other 2,500 will be one on one in broad daylight in the town of Masyaf. I'm just saying that the Hashashins did engage in upfront combat and that the Germanic's weren't exactly mr. direct combat either.

<span style="background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">Overall the Hashashin shall take this with better weapons, equal training, and the Germanic's being unfarmiliar with swords like the Scimitar.

<span style="background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">Notes
<span style="background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">*Votes with 4+ sentences that are all relevant and valid points will be counted as full. Anything under will not be counted at all.

<span style="background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">*2,500 of these fights will be at night in the dark forests of Germania squad on quad. The other 2,500 in broad daylight one on one in the town of Masyaf.

<span style="background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">*Arguments count as votes.

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Nick Fury Vs. Nemesis

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<h2 style="overflow:hidden;">Nick Fury Vs. Nemesis \

Here we see a battle between two completely different types of opponents. One is a man who has been in the military for almost 70 years. A man who has gone from doing standard infantry work against the Nazis, to surgical strikes against the Nazis, to spy work in Vietnam, to commanding a anti-super-human government agency, to being a government fugitive. The other, a rich psychopath who somehow got incredible skills and a tactical genious; who was able to kill 97 security guards in hand-to-hand combat, gas and kill almost the entire Pentagon, and succesfully hijacked Air Force 1! Nick Fury, or Nemesis! The incredible military commander or the mysterious terrorist with no name!

WHO IS DEADLIEST!!?!!?!?!?!

Nick Fury
"Long before I stepped off a C-130 at Da Nang, Fury and his team had already set fire to half of Asia."

- Frank Castle, AKA The Punisher, on Nick Fury. Nick Fury is a former leader of a WW2 special forces group called "The Howling Commandos", a former C.I.A agent, and current head of S.H.I.E.L.D. Fury enlisted in the U.S Army in 1941, after the bombing of Peral Harbor Fury signed up for the US Army Rangers where he was recruited to lead the First Attack Squad AKA the Howling Commandos. A specially-trained ban of soldiers who took part in some of the most dangerous missions in the war. Fury led them against the likes of the Red Skull and Heinrich Zemo and other Axis villains. He and his Howling Commandos struck several critical blows to the Nazis and their allies during the war. he struck pathes with Baron Wolfgang Von Strucker. Strucker's humilating defeats at the hands of Fury would put him on a life-long vendetta against Fury. After the war Fury and his Howling Commandos participated in a number of "mop-up" missions. In 1954 Fury was recruited to the C.I.A and was trained as a C.I.A agent. Fury saw action in the Korean War and even saw some of his former comrades in the Howling Commandos. In the 1960's Fury was contacted by the Board of Directors of the newly formed organization S.H.I.E.L.D which at the time was called the "Supreme Headquarters International Espionage Law-enforcement Division" and was offered directorship by Tony Stark. During the cold war, S.H.I.E.L.D saw much action against HYDRA. During this time Fury would face off against his old Nemisis, Strucker. S.H.I.E.L.D was later renamed the "Stategic Hazard Intervention Espionage Logistics Directorate". Since then Fury saw heavy action during the Civil War, Secret Invasion, and Norman Osborn's rise to power.

Nemesis
"I'm rich, and I'm bored."

- Nemesis when asked why he committed this by the DC Chief of Police. In the comic book series "Nemesis", the super-villain Nemesis blows up a building in Tokyo, killing a SWAT team, and later kills a police inspector. In Washington, D.C., the FBI informs metro police Chief Inspector Blake Morrow that Nemesis is targeting him next. Nemesis soon hijacks Air Force One over the District of Columbia, taking the United States president hostage and crashing the plane, killing hundreds. Nemesis tells the story of Matt Anderson, whose father had committed suicide after Officer Blake Morrow tried to imprison the father for hunting runaway teenagers with his rich friends. Anderson travelled the world to learn the ways of crime, hoping to fulfil his mother's dying wish to have Morrow killed. Nemesis kills twenty-thousand people at the Pentagon using poison gas, allowing Morrow and his aide de camp Stuart to survive in order to taunt Morrow about the inspector's projected March 12 death. Local police eventually capture Nemesis, who claims he allowed himself to be caught. Nemesis breaks out of prison, killing scores of guards and freeing the inmates, and then blowing it up. He kidnaps Morrow's children, forcing Morrow to reveal family secrets: his wife had an affair; his son is gay; and his daughter had a secret abortion. Nemesis releases the children but Morrow's daughter has been impregnated by his son, with her womb rigged to collapse if an abortion is attempted, preventing her from ever again having children. An enraged Morrow eventually believes he has discovered Nemesis' hideout, and arrives there with a police team only to find it is a trap. The house explodes, knocking Morrow unconscious. When Morrow awakens, a taunting Nemesis reveals that Stuart has been working for Nemesis for the past eight years. Nemesis kills Stuart, and tells Morrow that his "Matthew Anderson" story was made up: He is simply rich and bored, creating death and havoc for his own amusement. Nemesis then reveals they are in the White House's Oval Office, where Morrow's wife Peggy and the U.S. president have bombs strapped to their chests. The staff and Secret Service agents have all been killed, and Nemesis gives Morrow a detonator and tells him he has thirty seconds to kill either the president or his wife. With four seconds left, the president steps-up to Nemesis and tells Morrow to detonate his bomb. Nemesis survives the blast, and in a final confrontation, he and Morrow each shoot each other. Morrow kills Nemesis with a head shot, and himself is taken to emergency surgery. He flatlines during surgery but survives, and as the series concludes is on a beach vacation with his family, including his newborn triplet granddaughters. There he is given a letter, ostensibly given to the waiter ten years earlier, congratulating Morrow and claiming to be from the head of a company that arranges for rich people to become supervillains.

X-factors
<p style="text-align:center;">Fury/Nemesis

<p style="text-align:center;">Training/95/80

Fury was a WW2 era US Army soldier, a WW2 era Army Ranger, a Howling Commando, a Vietnam era C.I.A Agent, and pretty much created the S.H.I.E.L.D training program and has most obviously evolved it as time went on. Nemesis was just some douche bag who somehow became an expert tactician, and a ridiculously skilled hand-to-hand fighter. Soooooooo.....

<p style="text-align:center;">Tactics and Intelligence/92/85

Nemesis pulled off some crazy f**cking planned out and executed shit. Fury is also a great tactician and pulled off some fantastic shit all throughout his career. His tactics played a crucial role in S.H.I.E.L.D's victory over HYDRA. I'm gonna sum this up with two things, Fury could've pulled off what Nemesis did just as perfectly as he did (other then the 97 security guards in hand-to-hand combat but he would've just taken out his laser gun, maybe a couplea MAC-10s and gone full auto). That, and the fact that Fury has been around a lot longer and learned a lot more lessons from many battles. We don't exactly know how much experience Nemesis has, we just know what he pulled off and can speculate that he has more experience then just that.

<p style="text-align:center;">Ruthless/Brutality/84/97

Nemesis is a f**cking ruthless psychopath who sadistically killed 97 security guards, forced a gay guy to get his sister pregnant, and rigged her whomb to collapse if an abortion is attempted, and killed 20,000 people at the Pentagon with chemichal weapons, all in cold blood, with no purpose other then for his own entertainment. Fury can be pretty brutal against his opponents, but no where on that level, even when dealing with opponents like HYDRA.

<p style="text-align:center;">Organization/90/90

Nemesis pulled off his plan perfectly. Everything went perfectly according to plan, it was perfectly organized and carried out. Fury is also really organized, it takes a lot of organization to run a government agency. However, I don't think Fury's ever been seeing as organized as Nemesis was, although I think he could be if he had to.

<p style="text-align:center;">Hand-to-Hand Combat/85/99

Fury was taught whatever form of hand-to-hand combat the U.S Army used during WW2. He is also a U.S Army heavyweight boxer. He also holds a black belt in Tae Kwan Do, and a brown belt in Jujitsu. He has also trained with Captain America, possibly the finest hand-to-hand combatant. Nemesis, it is not known what styles he uses. What is known is that he killed 97 security guards who were all in full riot gear through use of his bare hands and their batons. Frankly, I highly doubt Fury could ever do that. It's pretty ridiculous what Nemesis did, but the fact remains....He did it. It's pretty unlikely though that hand-to-hand combat will be much a factor considering they're both running in guns blazing. Then again, they just have two guns each and those are close range.....And they both have extremely high rates of fire. Fury probably won't run out since he has that 300 round needle pistol. The point is hand-to-hand will be more a factor then it is in most gun fights.....But still not mucha factor.

<p style="text-align:center;">Experience/100/40

Fury's been in the military for almost 70 years and is now a government fugitive on the run. He's easily one of the most experienced mortals in the marvel universe. Nemesis just got these skills and did what he did. I mean, we don't know if he actually has experience. Personally I theorize that he has some experience somewhere.....I highly doubt that anybody could've pulled that whole thing off without at least some experience. Then again....I highly doubt any normal human could've killed 97 security guards in hand-to-hand combat. Eh, I speculate he has some experience anyway. Still no where near as much as Fury, and probably no opponents anywhere near the kind Fury's faced.

<p style="text-align:center;">Physicality/80/95

Nemesis is at the peak of human physical condition and has even killed people by kneeing them in the face. Fury is a guy who took the infinity formula, so he's in his 50's. He's managed to stay very physically fit, but not on Nemesis's level.

<p style="text-align:center;">Agility/70/85

Fury isn't an extremely agile fighter. Fury's not the kinda guy who's gonna be doing all kinds of jumping, and flipping and that type of stuff. His hand-to-hand styles cater to a less agile style too. Jujitsu is grappling, which heavily involves takedowns, throwing the enemy, locking some joints.....I'm pretty sure Tae Kwan Do is mostly striking. Get in there really quickly and strike at his weak points. Boxing caters to that too. Circling the opponent and going in there with those punches. Not sure what the hand-to-hand style used in WW2 by the US Army was but I don't think it required a huge amount of agility. Nemesis on the other hand has been seen doing quite a lot of agile shit.

Argument for Nemesis: (By GSFB)
Physicality:

Nick Fury, though being more than over the Hill (70 years alone in the military and SHIELD), has the body of a 50 year old (due to some serum I believe) and an impressive musculature, on par with some bodybuilders. However, Nemesis is at the peak of physical perfection, far stronger and faster than any olympic athelete. Also, Nemesis is far, far younger than Fury, somwhere in his 20s or 30s, while Fury, though older than he looks, still has the age limitations of a 50 year old. In a hand to hand encounter, Fury will be slower, and bring to the fight less power.

Edge: nemesis

Hand to hand combat skills

Nick Fury has been a combatant for 70 years, and throurougly trained in hand to hand combat techniques of the American military and the SHIELD agency. He is agruably one of the best martial arts experts in the Marvel Universe. However, Nemesis is a wrecking machine: he brutally killed 97 riot geared prison guards with ease (using both his hands and feet as well as the guard's own batons against them). Being an evil version of Batman, he will no doubt have the same or similar knowledge in martial arts, and Batman knows 100 of them. Nemesis shows this type of hand to hand combat skills, and unlike Batman, does not hold anything back.

Edge: Nemesis

Intelligence/strategy:

Nemesis has proven capable of sneaking in and setting off chemical weapons in such places as the Pentagon and the White House, and even brought down Air Force One: Nick Fury's SHIELD will be no different. Unlike Fury, Nemesis plans his attacks years before: he will have researched well SHIELD, Fury, and how to defeat both. He will use mind games (he pretended to be a boy whose parents suffered at the hands of the (Now) DC Chief of Police (Mother arrested, father commited suicide to avoid being arrested).

Fury is more of the conventional military mindset when it comes to strategy, a "guns a'blazin" approach, which is fine to a point, but not on par with the blood-thirsy Blue-Blood. And though Nick Fury can and has done black ops missions, Nemesis will always be one step ahead of him, as he did so to almost all his prey.

Edge: Nemesis

Brutality:

Nick Fury has fought in numerous battles and conflicts (including WW2). As such, Fury has seen the horrors of war and had delivered horrors of his own. He will not think twice to kill an enemy combatant or cause mass mayhem in order to achieve victory, as any good soldier would. However, Nemesis is more inclined to kill, and in fact enjoys it, much like Sabertooth in marvel comics. He sees life as cheap, the middle and lower classes as "Peasants" whose loss triggers in him not even a shrug. While Fury kills in war, Nemesis kills in pleasure seeking, and relishes in the brutality of conflict. Fury does so out of military discipline and duty: nemesis out of the goal of having a good time, to overcome the burden of being "Rich and bored". Need I say more?

Edge: Nemesis

Knives:

The K-Bar knife is a well designed combat knife, used in some special forces units in the world. But compared to the laser knife of Nemesis, they are a joke. K-Bars can cut through flesh, but Nemesis' Lazer knife cut right through metal bars! No knife is going to withstand the cutting power of the Lazer knife. If this fight becomes a knife fight Nemesis will use his superior speed and energy blade to overtake Fury faster than you can say "Love smell of napalm in the morning!". A lot faster.

Edge: Nemesis

Success:

Sure, Nick Fury has defeated countless Hydra guys and gals and numerous supervillians, but has he ever won a battle where he took the commander in chief of the US as a hostage, besting the best, most high tech security in the world? Did he make the FBI, CIA, NSA, Secret Service, Homeland Security and the Pentagon look like second rate mall cops, all at once? Nemesis pulled this off with a far, far smaller amount of money than what Nick Fury gets for SHIELD, that's a given. The man braved living inside North Korea and carrying out devistating attacks there, inspite of the Brutal Big Brother omnipresence and equally evil government of the late Kim Jong il (Spelled right?). Fury never did that.

Edge: Nemesis

Long range weapons:

Nick Fury is armed with one one machine pistol, the Ingram Mac-10. Nemesis, on the other hand, has 2 mini uzis. 2! As the old song says "2 heads are better than one: double the pleasure, double the fun!". A person with one gun going up against one with two is at a major disadvantage. The only other gun Fury has is a needle gun, which, unlike the Uzis, is a mid range weapon and not an optional long range attack weapon alongside the Mac-10. By the time that Mr. Fury is out of bullets for his Ingram Mac-10, Nemesis will be smiling with a few rounds left in his second mini uzi.

Edge: Nemesis

What should my next fight be?
What should my next fight be? The Expendables Vs. The Crimson Guard (Cobra Commandos) Barracuda Vs. Deadshot Delta Force Vs. Shayeret Matkal Wolverine Vs. Alex Mercer

If you would like to do an argument on any of these fights please let me know on my talk page, chat, or in the comments. Barracuda Vs. Deadshot arguments are taken by Las and RS. An argument must be at least 3 paragraphs long. Please be sure you know the warrior's capabilities well, and the weapons they are using.

Wolverine Vs. Alex Mercer


A Battle of Durability! A Battle of Strength! A Battle of two brutal and ruthless fighters! Wolverine, the 200 year old mutant with adamantium bones and claws who has bloodied and guted his way through a thousand battlefields! Vs. Alex Mercer! The man who set the Blacklight virus loose on Manhattan and has consumed and killed thousands! Both warriors have incredible healing factors and weapons coming from their own bodies, both have killed thousands, but who will win?! WHO IS DEADLIEST?!?!

Wolverine (James "Logan" Howlett)
"My name is Wolverine. I'm the best there is at what I do...and what I do isn't very nice."

- Wolverine Wolverine was born a mutant sometime in the 1880's in Canada. Long story short Logan joined the Canadian military when WW1 began and was assigned to the special Canadian military unit known as the "Devil's Brigade". Logan's commanding officer was super-humanly strong man named Silas Burr. Burr committed several war crimes throughout the war, even burning down a school house full of kids. During the war he would be convicted for his war crimes. After being sentenced to death for his war crimes, Burr was rescued from the court house by Creed and brought to a facility. Logan would continue to see heavy action in the war. Skip to WW2. Logan rejoined the Devil's Brigade when WW2 started. During WW2 he served alongside Captain America and Nick Fury. After WW2 Wolverine would go to Japan and be trained by Samurai. After that Wolverine would become a mercenary. Quickly becoming one of the best and most sought after free agents on the market. By 1961, Logan, known as Wolverine now, joined the Weapon X Project, part of the Weapon Plus Program which had been created to fight the mutant menace. Nevertheless, Weapon X only used mutants as superhuman operatives on international tasks. He was then placed on the Black Ops squad run by the CIA, called Team X, with Sabretooth and Silver Fox (it's unknown if they remembered their past history at this point), Christoph Nord John Wraith and Mastodon. During this time, Logan and the others received memory implants via staged scenarios, telephatic manipulation by Aldo Ferro, and other technology. Weapon X also duplicated Wolverine's healing factor and implanted it in Team X, slowing their aging processes. In 1963 Silver Fox betrayed Wolverine and Sabretooth to enemy soldiers, and she fled Weapon X. By 1972, Wolverine joined Department K, a secret Canadian Defense Ministry branch with ties to Weapon X. Based in Ottawa, he partnered with Neil Langram and worked with Nick Fury, now a high-ranking CIA agent, and with Richard Parker, Mary Fitzpatrick. Years later, Langram was sought as an operative by the Hellfire Club but he refused, and he was then slain by Sabretooth, hired as a mercenary. Wolverine and Carol Danvers Carol Danvers, a young US spy, investigated and confronted Sabretooth at the Club's Canadian facility. Sabretooth told Wolverine details of the Club's intent to guide a war between mutants and humans. Sabretooth then bombed the facility, but he, Wolverine and Danvers survived. A troubled Wolverine turned to drugs and alcohol, and he was dismissed from Department K after accidentally shooting a fellow agent. Disgusted with himself, he planned to lose himself in the Yukon. Long story short Wolverine would later join the X-men, fight the Hulk, join the Avengers, fight in the Secret Invasion, Civil War, and pretty much every major marvel event and every event involving the X-men plus a bunch of solo stuff and has gone up against most every villain in the marvel universe.

Powers and Abilities:

 * Adamantium Skeleton: Possibly one of Wolverine's most well known powers, Wolverine's entire skeleton is made out of adamantium. Adamantium is the fictional alloy in the Marvel universe that is virtually indestructable. It is capable of surviving a Ballistic Missile with no damage what so ever. Multiple attacks from god like beings such as Thor have been known to maniptulate it, this would likely require multiple hits. Other then that it is completely indestructable.


 * Adamantium Bone Claws: Being part of his skeleton, Wolverine's bone claws are made out of adamantium. Adamantium is capable of cutting through virtually any and everything. Adamantium is even capable of easily piercing the Hulk's skin.


 * Healing Factor: Wolverine is able to regenerate damaged or destroyed tissue within seconds. He has been able to easily survive multiple gun shot wounds, shotgun blasts to the face, having his entire body burned, and missing eyes within seconds. He is able to have entire organs torn from his body and keep on fighting, regenerating them completely within minutes. If he is to loose a limb (very unlikely due to the adamantium) then he will regenerate it within days. He cannot reattach limbs however. Adamantium plays a crucial role in Wolverine's durability. While he's healing factor is more then enough to keep him in the game against most opponents, his adamantium plays a crucial role against much stronger opponents such as the Hulk. It will be a crucial factor against Mercer. This is because Mercer could cut him in half, or any part of his body off. If Mercer were to successfully do this, he could kill Wolverine without a doubt. With his adamantium however, this would be much harder. All parts of his body would be protected to being cut in half. The only part that would be vulnerable is his stomach, given that there are no bones there. This is likely his only weakness against Mercer considering if Mercer gets through Wolverine's defense he can cut him in half from his stomach. ? From there he could finish him.
 * Superhuman Strength: Wolverine is able to lift up to 2 tons.


 * Superhuman Acute Senses: Wolverine has senses similar to that of several animals. Such as the ability to see far greater distances with perfect clairty then an ordinary human, some level of clarity in total darkness, enhanced hearing allowing him to detect sounds at far greater distances then an ordinary human could. He could hear a tear drop in another room with thick walls. He is also able to recordnize people and objects solely by sent. Even if they are hidden or disguised. he can track a target my scent even in extreme weather. He is also able to detect some lies due to one's change in chemical scent as a direct result.
 * Superhuman Stamina: Wolverine's healing factor grants him high immunity against lactic acid and other fatigue toxins. Wolverine was able to fight Omega Red for 24 hours despite taking heavy damage from his death spores which suck life away. He is also able to hold his breath underwater for 6 minutes.
 * Superhuman Agility: Wolverine is capable of jumping extremely high and/or several yards. He is also able to doding bullets.
 * Superhuman Reflexes: Wolverine's reflexes are strong enough to dodge bullets.



Alex Mercer
"My name is Alex Mercer. I'm the reason for all of this. They call me a killer, a monster, a terrorist... I am all of these things."

- Alex Mercer Alex Mercer was a biological engineer who was hired by Gentek, a biochemical company, because of his skill in genetics. He became the chief of the Blacklight project. The project's goal was to engineer weaponized viruses to help the government. Through the group's work, they were able to create a Blacklight virus that has the capability to replicate the living cells of another organism. Blackwatch, a viral-containment special-forces group, tried to muzzle Gentek employees and launched a purge upon scientists working for the biochemical company. Mercer was one of those scientists. He tried to flee but was caught by Blackwatch. Out of anger, he smashed a vial of Blacklight virus onto the ground, starting a biological outbreak that spread throughout Manhattan. Blackwatch operatives shot Alex to death and left his body. The virus enveloped Mercer's body reviving him and granting him supernatural powers, but left him with amnesia. He then tried to find out what happened. Mercer is able to consume people. By consuming them he gains all of their memories and skills. If he is badly damaged, this will increase him healing. In his quest to find out what happened, Mercer directly killed and consumed well over 5 thousand people and got many more indirectly killed. Mercer would be ultimately killed when a Marine who fought to control New York gained Mercer's powers and consumed him in a great clash between the two.

Powers and Abilities:

 * Consume: Alex is able to consume anyone. Thus allowing him to shapeshift into them and gain their memories and skills. This allows him to have any skill they have and all of their experience. It also allows him to heal much quicker. This is only useful if he is extremely wounded to the point where healing is dangerously slowed down.


 * Shapeshifting: Alex is able to shapeshift into anyone he consumes.
 * Glide and Air Dash: Alex is able to glide long distances. If he falls, he can dash himself further in the air and then glide again. Only for a shorter period of time. Alex should be able to air dash and then glide 2 or 3 times during a flight, only he will be able to glide for a shorter period of time after each air dash.
 * Wall Running: Alex is fully capable of running at full speed on any surface.
 * Superhuman Strength: Alex is able to easily lift up and throw an M1 Abrams Tank which weighs 60.4 long tons.
 * Superhuman Endurance and Healing Factor:  Mercer's endurance far exceeds that of a human's by leaps and bounds. His body no longer possesses weak bones or vital organs, rendering him immune to otherwise debilitating injury. This biological change allows him to survive falls from any height completely unharmed. Bullets of any caliber will pass through his body, causing very little damage that heals instantly. He can withstand direct hits from rockets, hellfire missiles and tank shells, which cause only moderate damage. The superhumanly strong blows of the various type of Hunters and super soldiers cause the most damage of any type of attack. His superhuman stamina allows him to be physically active at all times without tire. Alex was able to regenerate within minutes of a nuclear explosion through pilesof biomass. If he is somehow badly wounded, Alex may consume someone and heal even faster.
 * Superhuman Speed: Alex is able to run far faster then an average human. I estimate 30 MPH, maybe more.
 * Superhuman Agility: He can perform amazing parkour feats such as flips and rolls and maneuvers over and around vehicles and debris with little trouble. His leg strength allows him to leap nearly ten stories into the air.
 * Superhuman Senses: <span style="font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">Alex's vision and hearing is enhanced, allowing him to see beyond the visible spectrum and hear across great distances even with physical insulation. He has thermal vision <span style="font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);"> which allows him to locate heat signatures, and infected vision <span style="font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);"> which can detect large concentrations of the virus and tap into the hive mind itself.
 * <span style="font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">Blade: Blade is an extremely big and powerful cutting tool. It is able to easily rip through tanks. It can also be moved very quickly and is extremely efficient at taking out Hunters.
 * Claws: This ability is primarily effective against people. This gives Alex four razor sharp claws that can easily slice and dice through people. Alex is also able to stab these into the ground, and make massive spikes come up from under it wherever he wants. These spikes are capable of destroying tanks.
 * Hammerfists: Hammerfists are primarily anti-vehicle.<span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);"> Unfortunately, Hammerfists are slow and inaccurate but allow Alex to deal an incredible amount of damage.
 * <span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">Musclemass: Musclemass  <span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">acts as a strength augmentation to Alex Mercer's arms. It greatly increases close combat damage and the distance debris can be thrown to deal with distant enemies. It is however ineffective against vehicles. Compared to his other weapons that is.
 * <span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">Whipfist:T <span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">he Whipfist  <span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">is a thin, flexible, blade-edged arm that can be used to attack at extreme range, or whip through entire crowds of enemies. This also allows Alex to grab anything he may need at a range or pull himself toward anything by doing so.
 * <span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">Devestator: Devestator allows Alex to shoot out over 20 tendrils from all over his body that will cause massive damage to anything they hit. Doing this will considerably damage Alex making him more (still completely capable of effectively fighting) vulnerable to any opponent of his that he didn't hit.
 * <span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">Armor:  <span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">The <span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">  <span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">​Armor <span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">  <span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">consists black plates of hardened biomass; formed all around the body. While in this form, Alex Mercer  <span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">was equivalent to a humanoid tank. This ability increases damage resistance overall, at the cost of movement and the ability to glide and air dash. This ability will only hinder Mercer against Wolverine since adamantium claws will cut through it like butter.
 * <span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);">Shield:  <span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);"> Shield soaks up damage automatically until it shatters and regenerates automatically. However it's regen rate depends upon the health upgrades available. The Shield can be left activated permanently as it does not hinder mobility. Like armor, Shield will not at all protect Mercer from adamantium claws.