User blog:Elgb333/SAS vs USMC: The Rematch



In today's modern warfare, a country's military is not only as strong as whatever fighter jet or battleship it can deploy. Their status as a superpower can also be seen in the quality of troops that they have. George S. Patton once said, "War is fought with weapons but they are won by men." And these two units we have in this battle are some of the most dangerous men in the world today.

Most of you have first heard of these badasses while playing the Modern Warfare series in your childhood. Now we are going to pit Staff Sgt. Grigg's and Captain Price's units on a duel to the death.



Special Air Service: Britain's elite special forces, who delivered death in thename of the Union Jack!

vs

United States Marine Corp: America's legendary marine force who moved forward against any enemies of the US of A!



OOORAH GENTS!!! WHO IS DEADLIEST?!



SAS
The Special Air Service (SAS) is the primary special forces regiment in the British Army. The SAS is a part of the United Kingdom Special Forces and serves as a universal model for other special forces groups in the world. Formed by David Stirling in 1941 during the chaos and fighting of World War 2 ravaged Egypt, Stirling formed the Special Air Service into a raid group, highly trained and multi-skilled soldiers would move in more mobile units to assault German airfields and forward operating bases. In 1 year, the SAS destroyed more German planes than the RAF did in the whole war. To serve a high demand, the SAS modified a lot of their weaponry and vehicles to suit their demands. During their raids, they quickly road in on jeeps mainly, blew up aircraft, dishes and various other useful technology then left, disappearing into the night, and this made them highly feared and a myth to the German forces. The SAS also saw action in Malta where they held a fort for 4 days to prevent German forces from entering Britain's key oil countries, in West Germany targeting key German infrastructure in the final days of World War 2 and a long after stay after World War 2.

SAS was disbanded in 1945 as the British goverment no longer saw the need for it, but was once again enstablished two years later as tensions between the allies and the Soviet Union began to rise. Since then, SAS has engaged in global conflicts including the Troubles, the Falklands War, the War in Afghanistan, and countless others. In order to join, recruits must undergo the United Kingdom Special Forces Selection program. It consists extreme conditioning, special weapons handling, demolitions, and SERE (Survive, Evade, Resist, Extract) however it has officially been extended by the MOD's word, even without this, SERE is considered to be one the hardest training courses on the planet. They have had the influence on virtually every Army Special Forces unit in the world. Their motto "who dares wins" has been adopted by over 9 Special Forces units. The term means that whoever makes the most daring moves in a battle will win.

Weapons
Melee=Fairbairn–Sykes fighting knife
 * A knife used by the British SAS since WWII and purported to be the one drawn in their insignia.
 * 7 inches, double-edged straight blade
 * Wire handle


 * -|Main=C8 Carbine
 * 5.56×45mm NATO
 * 750–950 RPM
 * 900 m/s (3000 ft/s) muzzle velocity
 * 440 yards effective range
 * 30 round box magazine


 * -|Pistol= Sig Sauer P226
 * .40 S&W or 9mm
 * 350 m/s
 * 50m effective range
 * 15-20 rounds box magazine


 * -|Sniper= L96A1
 * 7.62×51mm NATO
 * 850 m/s (2,790 ft/s) muzzle velocity
 * 870 yard effective range
 * 10-round box magazine


 * -|LMG= L110A2 Minimi
 * 5.56×45mm NATO
 * 700–1,150 rounds/min
 * 925 m/s (3,035 ft/s) muzzle velocity
 * 300m effective range (up to 1,000 m with sight adjustments)
 * 100 or 200-round belt, but can also be fed with 30-round STANAG magazines (similar to that used in M4 carbines and C8 carbines, which is helpful in emergency situations).


 * -|Grenade= L109A1
 * TNT Filling
 * 465 g weight

USMC
The United States Marine Corps (USMC) is a branch of the United States Armed Forces responsible for providing power projection from the sea, using the mobility of the United States Navy to rapidly deliver combined-arms task forces. It is one of seven uniformed services of the United States. The Marine Corps is a component of the United States Department of the Navy, often working closely with naval forces for training, transportation, and logistics; however, the Marine Corps is a separate branch.

Captain Samuel Nicholas formed two battalions of Continental Marines on 10 November 1775 in Philadelphia as naval infantry. Since then, the mission of the Marine Corps has evolved with changing military doctrine and American foreign policy. The Marine Corps has served in every American armed conflict and attained prominence in the 20th century when its theories and practices of amphibious warfare proved prescient and ultimately formed the cornerstone of the Pacific campaign of World War II. By the mid-20th century, the Marine Corps had become the dominant theorist and practitioner of amphibious warfare. Its ability to rapidly respond on short notice to expeditionary crises gives it a strong role in the implementation and execution of American foreign policy.

Weapons
Melee=Ka-Bar knife
 * The legendary knife invented and first used by the Marines.
 * 7 inches single-edged blade with clip point. Some has a serrated edge for sawing wood (and flesh).
 * Leather handle


 * -|Main=M4A1 Carbine
 * 5.56×45mm NATO
 * 700–950 RPM
 * 2,970 ft/s (910 m/s) muzzle velocity
 * 550 yd
 * 30 round box magazine


 * -|Pistol= M9A1 Beretta
 * 9mm
 * 381 m/s
 * 50m effective range, 100m maximum range
 * 15-17-round detachable box magazine


 * -|Sniper= SR-25
 * 7.62×51mm NATO
 * 2,571 feet per second muzzle velocity
 * 900 yard range
 * 10 to 20-round box magazine


 * -|LMG= M249 SAW
 * 5.56×45mm NATO
 * 650-850 RPM
 * 915 m/s (3,000 ft/s) muzzle velocity
 * 700 m effective range, 3,600 m maximum range
 * 200-round belt


 * -|Grenade= M67 grenade
 * Composition B
 * 400 g weight

X-Factors
Training

Okay there is no doubt that both military units have some of the harshest training in the world. The USMC training is considered by many US Militarymen to be the most difficult physically and mentally. It lasts for over 70 training days in a period a little longer than 12 weeks consisting of drill exercises and "daily dozens" (a dozen of repitions for each calisthenics). It is so hard that marine corp training is said to have given birth to the term "surviving the cut". The Special Air Service training on the other hand, is downright hellish. Lasting over 5 weeks for selection, it usually starts with 200 recruits. Candidates must run over an increasingly long distance, against harsh weather, with each course increasingly going uphill. They are then forced to survive jungle training, evasion and by the last part, interogation resistance training. It is so difficult in fact, that there is a 92% dropout rate, sometimes even a washout 100% dropout occuring.

Missions

The Marine's core usage has been lost over the years. They were concieved to be a seaborn/naval type of unit, functioning as a sort of infantry in assistance to the navy. However the USMC soon became somewhat of a secondary "army" or infantry regiment, as they start to also conduct similar functions to the US Army, such as being a reactionary force, occupational force and expeditionary force. This has gotten them into conflict with other military branches, to the point that they are the least supplied to all other combat units. They do have their own elite Tier 2 special forces, from the Marine Raiders in WWII, to the now modern Marine Force Recon and MARSOC. These units are given more dangerous missions such as special recon, counter-terrorism and counter-insurgency.

The Special Air Service are of a higher caliber though, being automatic Tier 1 from the start. Ever since its inception in WWII, they are tasked to go behind enemy lines with little to no support to cause chaos. But most importantly is that the British military uses them in many ways that the US Military usually give to separate units. The SAS conducts direct action or light react missions like the Army Rangers (Malayan Emergency and Raid on Pebble Island). They conduct counter-terrorism and recon like many Marine and Infantry units (Iranian Embassy Hostage Crisis). They also conduct counter-insurgency and guerilla warfare in the same vein as the Green Berets (Battle of Yirbat and Kosovo War). Some are said to even take the task of intelligence gathering and even assassinations (See Operation Gaff and Operation Flavius). They were so good in fact that other countries model and crosstrain their own Spec Ops with the SAS.



<p style="text-align:center;">Experience and Lineage

<p style="text-align:center;">It can be argued that the United States Marines are one of the oldest unit besudes the common infantry in the US Military, having existed since the Revolutionary War. They have fought through many wars wherever the US needed them, from the Civil War, Battle of Gangwha in Korea, Spanish-American War, and many Banana Wars and Chinese Wars. They were ingrained to legendary status during WWI when the Germans descirbed them as being "stormtrooper-like" units. They only became more and more famous in fighting the Pacific War, Korean War, Vietnam War and the War Against Terrorism.

<p style="text-align:center;">The SAS also had a long lineage but they have only lasted at least more than half a century. They had a rocky start during the North African Campaign, with many missions that failed and many comrades killed. It wasn't until Paddy Mayne came about and restructured the SAS where the unit we all know was finally born. They fought in alot of wars that concerned not only British but also International Affairs like the Malayan Emergency, Yemen War, the Troubles, Falklands War and many more.