User blog comment:Manofgod/Genghis Khan vs Red Cloud/@comment-17814994-20171115093205

Elgb's "Stop Horsing Around" EDGES!!!

Short: This may sound crazy but I'm actually going to give the edge to the gunstock club. Don't get me wrong, the ild is a sword that's got the larger surface area of damage. However, it is only most effective on horseback. When used on foot, it's basically an ordinary broadsword/large machete that couldn't thrust. The gunstock club has the longer reach to keep the Mongol flailing that ild at bay, and it is excellent on foot and on hroseback. It's also a great anti-cavalry weapon that can pull off riders off their horses. But what really seals the deal for me is that with the club, Red Cloud doesn't have to switch weapons. If its attached to the Enfield Carbine then there's no stopping Red Cloud from quickly spinning the gun around and plain shoot Genghis Khan off his horse. EDGE: Red Cloud

Mid: Hard to say. The jida lance is the more devastating weapon on horseback since its got three times the length of the buffalo lance. That being said, that length makes it almsot unusable on foot. The war lance is the more versatile lance that can be used on foot and on horseback but it jsut lacks the range to go up against a charging Mongol with a jida. EDGE: Even

Long: Again this is a tough one. One thing I'd like to say is that Lakotas use different bows for hunting and fighting. They use the hunting bow for buffalos and the lighter war bow for soldiers, so I doubt the latter has the same penetrating pwoer to go agaisnt a buffalo. Anyways, its a popular belief that the composite bow is stronger since Indian bows are customed to kill unarmored soldiers. However, in the Comanche vs Mongol episode of Deadliest Warrior, the Indian war bow had more speed and power than the composite bow. But again its harder to determine. The composite bow does have the advantage of armor-piercing steel arrows, but the war bow has the edge in terms of rate of fire due to its lighter frame. But one advantage that the composite bow has is in range. Typically composite bows can only go 300 yards but when arched it can go 500 yards (twice the range of the English longbow). WHile range is not necessary for horse archers sicne their tactical basically revovles around getting close and peppering arrows on targets. But in the hands of infantry, rang elike that is devastating. EDGE: Genghis Khan

Special: Sad to say but the Enfield Carbine takes this. The Chinese Crossbow is deadly for its time but it's twice the size and less maneuverable (and I doubt its effectiveness on horseback, especially in the hands of a Mongol riding those speedy ponies). The enfield carbine can probably go beyond the range of any weapons in this battle, and it is by far the msot deadliest too with its large conical .577 round. It will go through Mongol armor easily and its almost always an instant kill. EDGE: Red Cloud

Tactics: The Feigned Retreat and the Bait and Bash tactic looks similar. But I'm giving the edge to Red Cloud here. Gneghis Khan had the logistics and the numbers to perform these daring feigned retreats, while Red Cloud had to use his tactic against a more powerful nation with tons of weapons, far reaching mobility and deployable men. EDGE: Red Cloud

Deadliest Warrior?

Yeah eat me Mongol fans but the Indians again takes this. Red Cloud is carrying the more versatile and deadlier weapons in his arsenal. Almost all of them are capable of being used on foot and horseback unlike the Mongol's whose weapons sepcialized too much for cavalry. All Red Cloud has to do is line up his guns and bows, either on foot or on horseback, and blast away Genghis Khan as the two finally clash. If there are any Mongols left then there's Red Cloud won't have any problems killing them off with his more versatile weapons. The only way for Genghis Khan to win is by raining down his arrows at 500 yards and charging at the battered Indians, but he lacks the numbers to perform such a tactic. Red Cloud hismelf is a far better small-squadron skirmisher than Genghis Khan.

But wait? Didn't giving Red Cloud a gun unfair? Well actually... no. The Lakotas have  been using guns even before they arrived in the Great Plains, and Red Cloud did use firearms during the Fetterman Fight (though understandably only 6 out of the 81 dead Americans were shot, but the Lakotas still used guns nonetheless). But seriously, besdies the weapons, Red Cloud still takes it when it came to tactics. The Khan's feats of conquering Jin China, Persia and even the Rus is noteworthy, but incomparable to Red Cloud who had to go up against the United States and their railroads, mechanized warfare and repeating rifles.