User blog comment:JWarrior89/Jack Sparrow vs Zorro (Campellverse)/@comment-72.35.120.155-20130905110213/@comment-72.35.120.155-20130906115627

Does Pirates even have a stated canon hierarchy? Cause I can't find. So in the absence of said official statement on what is or is not canon in the PiratesVerse I am going to trust the words and action of the creators over a video game graphic. That is if the two were even in conflict. Which as I said they're not. He ( Sparrow ) is skilled compared to your average joe just not against top tier sword fighters.

Also I doubt Lucas even knows who Starkiller is as he doesn't follow the EU, nor really consider it part of "his" Star Wars.

Back to Sparrow's skill I might not have been super clear in my original post, but have sense further specified. Sparrow has skill its just not on par with the likes of Turner ( who the writers consider the best ), Norrington, or Barbossa. It's Sparrow's other skills/abilities that keep him alive, not his dueling skills.

As for the Sparrow/Barbossa fight. Barbossa smacks Jack around and then tosses his own sword away. Its then and only then and only because Barbossa let him that Sparrow manages to stab him. As for Davy I'm honestly not sure where he ranks in terms of sword skill. Compared to the other main characters.

As for Jacks history. It all comes from the EU, which in my mind is of questionable canonicity. How ever even when we include it. It doesn't over ride what we see. Jack can have all the training and experience in the world and still not be as good as some one with less training/experience, but better aptidude. Some times raw talent counts for a lot.

As for using your environment as a weapon. It is a skill. Nobody ever said it wasn't. What I said was is that it is a different skill then pure swordsmanship and it is. In a ring following the code of honor that his opponents did Jack wouldn't have done nearly as well.

As already mentioned the fact that Jack "cheated" as Will called it was what allowed him to carry the day on many occasions. He is quick witted, aware of his surroundings etc a fact that has served him well.

How ever Zorro is just as smart and just as aware and even more skilled.

Have you read anything thats been written. I already discussed tha Sparrow is an exceptional shot with his flintlocks.

As for your P.S. So just so were clear on how you view the presentation of evidence. You have no quams about telling me what I should watch and read, but take offense at the suggestion that you should check preimary sources. How are we supposed to have a conversation about "Pirates of the Carribbean" and the characters their in if you're not even willing to watch the films. Also I noted a couple of online sources that mentioned the quote and told you were in the audio track its mentioned. Which by the way is way more then you've done in terms of reference for your evidence. Which of course is nothing, but no it not enough and it wont be enough it seems until send you a noterized copy of the film sealed in Disney letter head signed by Jerry Bruckheimer and delivered by Johnny Depp with an exact time stamp printed on it of when the quote takes place. Anything so long as you dont have to think or act on your own. Seriously though using the root of the word Canon as an example this is like having a debate about ( Biblical ) scripture where on party is unwilling to even open a Bible.

Lets back track though and look at what we've established so far

Jack is a skilled fighter and marksmen. Neither of things are in dispute. As much as you seem to want them to be.

However, per you. Sparrow is not as physically adept/athletic nor is he as skilled/capable a fighter as Zorro.

You realise when your argument is boiled down. You pretty much agreed with everything I said right? Sparrow's a good swordmen, but not the best. He uses deception to supplement his sword skill and is a great marksmen.

If anything we seem to be having a disagreement about symantics/wording and the heirarchy of evidence. Both fine arguments to have, but they have little bearing on the out come of the match proper.