User blog:WraithOfWaffle/Battle Five: The Punisher (The Punisher 2004 Movie) vs. The Joker (Nolanverse Batman)

==The Punisher, the former Delta Force member turned vigilante who waged a one man war against those responsable for his family's deaths vs. The Joker, The Dark Knight's toughest enemy who raised havoc in Gotham City! WHO IS DEADLIEST?==

Hello I'm TheWetWaffle and welcome to my battle! Today we have two of the most brutal comic book movie characters duking it out! It's The Punisher vs. The Joker to see who is the deadliest warrior.

Also if you like this battle check out El Alamein's Joker Gang vs. Woodbury Army.

The Punisher
Frank Castle was a family man, set to retire from the FBI as an undercover agent. His last job involved him in a sabatoged arms deal where Bobby Saint, the son of mob boss Howard Saint. He was actually in the Battle of Kuwait during the Gulf War and was actually a part of Delta Force. During a family reunion though, a group of assassins are sent to kill him and his family. His family is killed but he manages to survive barely. He eventually recovers and returns to the island where the reunion was, among the wreckage he found a shirt his son had given him. The shirt was a black short sleeve shirt with a white skull on it. Frank knew he had to get his revenge on whoever did this. During the film he has to fight assassins sent out to kill him like Harry Heck and the Russian while trying to find whoever did this to him. He eventually infultraites into Howard Saint's building and kills all the mobsters who are protecting him. He eventually kills John, Bobby's brother and Howard Saint, the man who was behind all of this. The ending of the film shows that he will fight more crime.



The Joker
Not much is known about The Joker's past. He tends to change his backstory but he claims that his father was a drinker and a fiend, one night he goes off crazier than usual, he takes a knife and puts it in his mouth, and says "Why so serious?". Another claims that he had a wife who told him to smile a bit more but face was scarred up so he scarred his face up and went crazy because his wife hated it. He raised anarchy in Gotham by being unbelievably unpredictable. He has killed his own men, threatened to kill civilians, and wants to bring the city to it's knees. He has confronted Batman but wants to unnerve him and put him in dillemas that allow him to escape like throwing Rachael off a building.



Weapons
When I did the research for weapons, I noticed that these guys were armed to the teeth in their movies, so let's go into the laundry list of weapons.

The Punisher and five FBI officers will be armed with: Length: 4 Inches
 * Melee: Butterfly Knife

Counterrotating handles. Capacity: 8 rounds per pistol, 16 in total
 * Short Range 1: Dual Custom M1911A1s

Caliber: .45 ACP

Range: 50m

Rate of Fire: 700 RPM Capacity: 2 rounds
 * Short Range 2: Sawed Off Double Barrel Shotgun

Caliber: 12 Gauge

Range: <50m Capacity: 30 Rounds
 * Mid Range: MP5A5

Caliber: 9x19 Parabellum

Range: 200m

Rate of Fire: 800 RPM Capacity: 30 Rounds
 * Long Range: M4A1

Caliber: 5.56x45mm

Range: 360m

Rate of Fire: 950 RPM Lethal Blast Radius: 5m
 * Explosive: M203 Grenade Launcher

Caliber: 40mm

Rate of Fire: 6 RPM

Range: 150m (Effective), 400m (Max)

X Factors
Explanations
 * The Punisher easily takes mental health. While he isn't in perfect condition, he is better than The Joker at least.
 * The Punisher has fought in the Gulf War and was a part of Delta Force. The Joker hasn't really engaged in combat by himself, he usually uses his gang members to get work done.
 * The Joker isn't much of a gunmen, he mainly sprays and prays. Castle usually aims and takes a shot, not spraying.
 * The Joker is the kind of person that wants to unnerve you, then kill you. The Punisher has a sense of when not to kill but The Joker shows some enjoyment in the chaos.
 * The Punisher is a very tactical person, but he doesn't go running head into a situation so he uses stealth and explosives. At the same time, The Joker uses decoys like in the hostage situation and can be pretty tactical behind his blood red lips. It's even.
 * The Punisher was actually trained, unlike The Joker who recieved no actual training.

Edges
Edge: The Punisher Edge: Even Edge: The Joker Edge: The Punisher Edge: The Punisher Edge: The Joker
 * Melee: The butterfly knife has a slightly larger blade and Castle has shown some skill with this blade.
 * Short Range 1: The M1911A1s have the stronger rounds and multiple shots could be fired at once but the Glock 17 can be more accurate and has the larger capacity. I consider this even.
 * Short Range 2: The Remington takes this for it's superior capacity and range over the double barrel shotgun.
 * Mid Range: The MP5A5 has a better range and rate of fire despite it's smaller capacity.
 * Long Range: The M4A1 is more accurate, has a better range, and rate of fire. As much as I love the Kalashnikov, the M4A1 is better.
 * Explosive: While the M203 is more portable and attached to the M4A1 (The Punisher will be carrying the M203) the Type 69 has a larger explosion, despite it's huge size.

Voting
Voting will end on December 28th, 2013. One word votes or extreme bias will not count. Votes like "TEH PUNISHER IS BEST CUZ HE HAZ GUNZ!" or  "TEH JOKARZ WINZ CUZ WHY SO SERIOUS?!" will not count.

No Vote: One word, all caps, bias

Full Vote: Edges and or paragraph explanation, facts, no bias

Next Time...
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Battle
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The Joker: 123456

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