User blog comment:Cfp3157/Ride Immortal, Beasts of War: Immortan Joe vs. Commandant/@comment-5232784-20160608152323/@comment-5043545-20160609030517


 * The Commandant has arguably way better leadership compared to Immortan Joe. Joe has no doubt much more dedicated men, who think of him as a literal God and will follow him without question. Problem is, they're a bit too dedicated to him as weird as that sounds. His leadership, lack of planning and foresight, basically caused him to call upon the banners of three communities. Without fully understanding how much men were going to be needed. Let his entire fortress completely defenseless minus horribly sick War Boys and the kids. He's certainly in better shape to lead a community, but is hopelessly outmatched in leading forces. The Commandant organized raids, fought professional military and militias, was always gathering intel and planning attacks. To the point that he was seriously considered for an greater role in his faction, only losing it due to PR concerns. He's an actually skilled in combat and takes an active role in it as a normal basis, making him much better to lead groups of soldiers.


 * As EA stated, this firefight is going to be with less professional soldiers and more warrior cults and militias. Neither side can use the maximum range of their respective weapons because as stated, they aren't professional soldiers. Provided, I do think the Commandant's men are better trained and skilled in firearms as they use them on a normal basis, but that will be covered in another part. The scope on the SKS works against them in a fire fight where they can't use it to its full effectiveness in combat. They aren't professional marksmen and won't be sniping from hundreds of meters away without a care in the world.


 * Next, its that thing I talked about in the last bit. The Commandant and his men are actively using firearms on a normal basis and are experienced in their mechanics, recoil and keeping an an effective firing tactics in a fire fight due to their use on a normal basis. The War Boys in the entire film are never shown to be actively using firearms and instead using Thundersticks. While the Commandant and his men actually practice their abilities and refine their skills because of normal use. While, the War Boys who are more used to using a certain weapon will lack the ability to go around firing rifles with ease. So they're out matched in terms of firearms skills and considering what kind of match this is, I bet you can see where this is going.


 * The highly specialized nature of the War Boys comes into play here. From what the movie shows, the War Boys are dedicated and live by the car. They literally have a prayer altar made out of steering wheels. They are meant to fight with vehicles usually against vehicles to take them out. Hell, plenty of their weapons are designed to disable, destroy or slow down vehicles. This specialized training really showed in their ineffectiveness to fight when they basically threw themselves on top of War Rig without any sense of self preservation. Simply because this is what their training was designed for and not to leave the confines by entering a fire fight. Yes, there are trucks in this match, but its like Fury Road kind of vehicular combat. This is still very much relying on ground combat and fire fights.


 * Next is physical health and mental health, yes, the The Commandant's men are drugged, but it hasn't been shown to seriously affect their combat abilities. Its more of a way to keep them going in the fight and to numb the scars of war, which carries its own negatives though. The problem is that the War Boys literally consider Joe a God, and Joe himself considers himself to either be a God or Savior of Humanity. This often leads to a clouding of judgement as the War Boys are willing to make suicidal charges to impress their leader and ultimately die as a result of their own fervor. Plus, if Joe gets injured or goes down, its seriously going to destroy command, morale and devastate the remaining War Boys because their literally consider him to be a God. Even Nux, who left Joe's charge, was completely shocked when he realized Joe was in fact mortal. Next to a brief glimpse into physical health. The War Boys are riddled with disease, cancer in particular seems to run rampant among them and they lack the proper equipment and medical knowledge to even treat it. Joe himself is heavily overweight, old as hell, and needs machines to breath properly. The Commandant has none of these issues and the neither do his men, besides the whole drugs thing.


 * You say logistics wins wars, the problem is, this isn't a war. This is just a fire fight with two factions who are both pretty well armed for the most part coming into this fire fight. The Commandant is more conservative with his supplies because he knows they are in short supply and organizes attacks to always get more. Joe is being provided supplies, but their comes the issue is that despite getting bullets on a normal basis, Joe's men seem to lack firearms. So either weapon supplies are in short demand or they might actually have less bullets than it appears. The Commandant seems to never really run into serious supply issues until he leaves with his group and basically cuts off a steady supply of ammo, supplies and other essentials. Joe leaves his entire supply line as well and lacked any defenses back home when he left, so he might be more desperate than what appears to be.

And that's my rebuttal, I was going to get some voting done today. But I say the time was well spent here.